lilrobo
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07-06-12 05:47 PM - Post#2245271
well i thought i had everything fixed ,,, well i was about 15 miles out ( it was hot ) and it start ticking again real loud so i limped on to our restaurant and i check out the engine department and i saw anti freeze around the radiator and a large spot of oil underneath so after we eat i got 3 large water to go ( for radiator ) and started it up and it sounded fine until, about 15 miles back and it started again,, i made it back home, i guess i need lifters they just not holding pressure i guess .
so i will need to fix the rear seal, flush rad ( or replace ) add fan shroud ( maybe ) and work on lifters....
so back to work huhh
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07-07-12 09:43 AM - Post#2245404
In response to lilrobo
Hi Lilrobo,
Before you jump to the lifter conclusion - I would highly recommend you install an oil pressure gauge and monitor the oil pressure from engine cold - thru - normal operating temperature (about 15 miles).
I think you may have an oil pressure related issue and the lifters are only the siren on the call.
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lilrobo
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07-07-12 11:15 AM - Post#2245449
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well i drove the car today, and started ticking loud , i brought in the garage and adjusted the valves she quieten down nice , wait until i turned it off and guess what right back the ticking was there ,, i am ordering a set come mon , i think i have developed a knock now ,,( 1 thing after another ) could be a wrist pin or a rod ,, what would you guys do redo the motor or change it to a v8
thanks
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lilrobo
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07-07-12 12:39 PM - Post#2245475
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could be , i did check it once with a gauge it was 40 psi i believe that was cold maybe, i will check tomm i will let it get hot wont take long here the temp is 100 now with heat index 115
thanks i will check
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 DonSSDD
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07-07-12 12:40 PM - Post#2245476
In response to lilrobo
Like Ollie said, check the oil pressure before spending a whole lot of money. Does it put out blue smoke?
6 or an 8 would be your choice, if you need to fix or replace what you have.
Don
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lilrobo
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07-07-12 01:24 PM - Post#2245493
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it does have a little smoke dont know if its fuel or oil , seems like i can get the lifters to quieten down and after a while its right back i think i can get a set for 130 bucks thats about the cheapest i have found , but i will check the pressure cold and hot for sure, could be i need a oil pump . i know i did have 40 psi dont know if that was cold or not ,,, i would like to have a v8 you know,, but i am ok with the 6 cyl . if its right,, i was told that to rebuild the 6 would be more than a used v8 could get one from a wrecked car motor and tranny 
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07-07-12 05:08 PM - Post#2245526
In response to lilrobo
fuel is black; oil is blue; water is white.
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07-07-12 05:44 PM - Post#2245532
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Jerry is talking about the colour of the smoke.
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lilrobo
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07-07-12 06:25 PM - Post#2245547
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Yeah it looks dark ,i guess it could be fuel , our eye do burn,,
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lilrobo
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07-08-12 08:45 AM - Post#2245680
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update
well i check the oil pressure
cold is 40 psi
hot about 5
i guess i need a oil pump ????
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07-08-12 10:38 AM - Post#2245709
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I'd put my money on rod, main or cam bearings. Do you know how many miles are on the engine?
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lilrobo
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07-08-12 11:54 AM - Post#2245730
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didnt want to hear that  i almost have the oil pan off now i took a break i hope its something simple
thanks for the replies
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lilrobo
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07-08-12 12:40 PM - Post#2245745
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how does the oil pan come off??
i have all the bolts out
i removed the 2 front dust covers
i remover the tranny bolts ( 2 )
i removed the2 engine mounting bolts
jacked the motor up until it hits the fire wall now what
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lilrobo
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07-08-12 02:56 PM - Post#2245792
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Does it make a difference were you jack it up, i have tryed at the tranny,,and i cant see how it can come out ,,i will try in the front tomm and see how that goes , i need some luck here guys
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07-08-12 08:12 PM - Post#2245912
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Hey man, I replied to your PM too.
Here is my previous post on how I've pulled the pan a couple of times on my '55 235 w/ PG tranny :
http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?ti...
I'll add this too...
It is important to jack the front of the motor. And also keep steady gentle pressure pulling back on the pan (not too hard) as your assistant slowly turns the crank. You will feel the pan all of a sudden slip back an inch or two as it clears the first counterweight. Tell your assistant to stop and slowly turn in the opposite direction, and you should feel the pan move back another inch or two as it clears the next counterweight. Just keep inching the crank slowly back and forth as you clear the counterweights.
Obviously if the crank stops turning have your assistant reverse direction, all the time gently turning the crank, don't force it.
Putting the pan back in is a little easier, as you can see the counterweights and know which way they have to move to clear the pan.
Also, like I said. it's much easier to use "spray tack" to hold the gaskets on the pan when reinstalling let the stuff dry a bit and the gaskets shouldn't move while you're fishing the pan back in.
Hopefully this helps.
Good Luck.
- Jay
Edited by jays_55 on 07-08-12 08:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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lilrobo
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07-09-12 03:36 AM - Post#2245985
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Well i dont know what to do now ,i dont want to spend alot of money on the motor , i just wantd to get it running until this winter, and change it to v8 i was told it would be cheaper to changeit rather rebuild this 6 cyl ,,, now what?..lol
Thanks for the replies
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07-09-12 09:15 AM - Post#2246100
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i see , but my pan is hitting the tranny when trying to pull it out to rear??
thanks
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07-09-12 01:26 PM - Post#2246173
In response to lilrobo
Could it be a bad valve guide having blowback?... I have a bad one on mine and it makes it sound like a ticking... I have 235 6 too...
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jays_55
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07-09-12 02:09 PM - Post#2246192
In response to lilrobo
Is the bottom of the pan hitting the steering linkage, is that why it's hitting the front of the tranny ?
You may have to drop the linkage to be able to pull it low enough to clear the tranny.
It's easier than it sounds, if it's like the 55 there is an arm bolted (with 2 9/16 or 5/8 nuts) to 2 studs sticking out of the passenger side frame rail.
I don't remember if I had to drop it or not, but if you can't get the pan low enough to clear that might be the case.
It sounds like you're trying to do the oil pump, it's really easy once the pan is off, just pull the distributor and it's one bolt.
Unfortunately getting the pan down is the hardest part of the job. I know, I've had to do it a couple of times now.
Good luck !
- Jay
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07-09-12 02:25 PM - Post#2246212
In response to lilrobo
Hi Lil,
Ditto on Jerry's comment.
I seriously think your engine is need of a rebuild.
The bearing clearances are LARGE and that is why the oil pressure is dropping to 5 psi when hot.
Sorry for the bad news. But at least you did not waste your hard earned cash on a set of lifters that would not repair the cause of the problem.
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07-09-12 03:31 PM - Post#2246261
In response to bowtieollie
Oops... I missed that post, about 5psi hot, DOH sorry ! 
If the pressure drops to almost nothing when it's hot it probably is the bearing clearances.
It's your call, If you already have a pump, and the pan is just sitting on the crossmember you could give it a shot. It may improve things temporarily.
But these guys are right, more than likely it's time to rebuild or replace the motor.
Me, I'm a "keep it all original" kind of guy, but it's your call.
- Jay
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07-09-12 03:55 PM - Post#2246274
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its not hitting nothing other than tranny ,,and laying in cross member , one guy told me that i had to pull the engine ?? i hate that , thinking about putting it all together and use thicker oil and just drive it
wow
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07-09-12 05:29 PM - Post#2246314
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I rebuilt a 235 in a 59 once without pulling the engine. I don't recommend it. I don't remember where I saw it but I found instructions for pulling the pan without pulling th engine. It may have been in a Motor Manual. You have to turn the crank as you pull the pan out. You have to get the forward pitons in their 'up' position so the crank is out of the way of the pan.
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07-10-12 03:37 AM - Post#2246452
In response to Jerry Acheson
yeah i am doing research on the oil pan,, i dont see how it will come out, turning the motor isnt the problem , its hitting the tranny looks like it needs to go up about 2 more inches , it up now about 2 or more got me
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lilrobo
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07-10-12 09:29 AM - Post#2246547
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had an old man tell me i might have to jack the tranny up a little as well as the motor , i'll see this evening ,, i need a little luck
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lilrobo
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07-10-12 03:56 PM - Post#2246715
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well oil pan 1 robbie 0, i gave up and installed it back ,, i will live another day lol
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07-10-12 06:11 PM - Post#2246763
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If I remember correctly, the engine had to come up about 6 inches.
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lilrobo
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07-10-12 06:33 PM - Post#2246770
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I done put it back, i will run it til i get another motor
Thanks for the info guys
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07-15-12 02:03 PM - Post#2248451
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i took betesy( my 58 biscayne ) out for a speen today she ran pretty good , i still could hear the rattle noise mainly after she got hot ,, but never the less went for a hour drive, she did good but seems like she was a little hotter than normal,, here is a pic of the temp hand you guys tell me
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07-15-12 02:12 PM - Post#2248455
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Hi lilrobo,
She is running WAY TOO HOT!
Normal operating temperature is slightly below the middle mark.
Bad thermostat or plugged radiator?
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