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06-27-12 06:00 AM - Post#2241824
So took her for the first drive in quite awhile. Definitely running better after I made sure the timing was correct. Two issues Id like to get your input on.
First, the valves ticking. I removed the cover and tried to locate the ticking valve/s. While doing this I noticed that the push rods (I think thats what they are) were spinning as they moved up and down, and 2 or 3 were not. Is this normal?
Second, I think something is up with my #3 Cylinder. While running, if I remove the spark plugs there is a noticable change in idle on all plugs but the #3. Its sparking well, and I tested the compression and its 100psi. I then checked the 2nd Cylinder and it was the same, so that ruled that out. Perhaps the valves on cylinder 3 are so out of adjustment that its unable to perform? Thoughts?
Thanks everyone!
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06-27-12 06:49 AM - Post#2241839
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MIKE the pudh rods are supost to turn... #3 may be bad plug wire on #3 to check ...take a plug wire off another plug and switch the two wires.. if its bad the other cyl.plug should act like #3 did and #3 will work fine
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06-27-12 07:35 AM - Post#2241863
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Thanks for the help Arnie!
I pulled the plug wire off the sparkplug and held it close to the end of the spark plug and there was a clear visible spark from the wire to the plug. Ive also changed the spark plugs around, and it made no difference.
Also, you mentioned that the push rods are supposed to move, what about the ones that arent, is that a problem?
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06-27-12 07:49 AM - Post#2241866
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eather to tight. or bad lifter or cam lob is probable bad
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06-27-12 08:03 AM - Post#2241872
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Humm,
Ill have to learn what thost things are and how to check them lol
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06-27-12 08:04 AM - Post#2241873
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Did you adjust your valve as I mentioned in the other thread? All sorts of funky could be going on it your valve aren't adjusted correctly.
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06-27-12 08:17 AM - Post#2241878
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thats true the ones that are not turning may be loose to or to tight try both ways. as far as # 3 that may be just the adjustment also
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06-27-12 08:29 AM - Post#2241881
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thats true the ones that are not turning may be loose to or to tight try both ways. as far as # 3 that may be just the adjustment also
Arnieg gives some great tips on adjusting the valves in your other thread - I'd listen to the man. 
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06-27-12 08:42 AM - Post#2241887
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Hey,
I havent tried adjusting the valves yet.
I am entirely unfamiliar with this task. Im worried about messing it up and not knowing where they used to be etc.
With no real knowledge here is what Id do.
I would do the adjustment while it was running. (If possible)
Find the noisy valve, and try turning it one way or the other to see if it would remedy the ticking.
Then I would to to my #3 and just guess at which valve needed to go which way wile listening to the idle.
Soooooo, would this be correct?
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06-27-12 09:19 AM - Post#2241901
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Regarding th ecompression check. Did you remove all the spark plugs, block the throttle pedal open and then check compression? If you did not then the compression check would not be accurate. 
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06-27-12 09:29 AM - Post#2241905
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Hey,
I havent tried adjusting the valves yet.
I am entirely unfamiliar with this task. Im worried about messing it up and not knowing where they used to be etc.
With no real knowledge here is what Id do.
I would do the adjustment while it was running. (If possible)
Find the noisy valve, and try turning it one way or the other to see if it would remedy the ticking.
Then I would to to my #3 and just guess at which valve needed to go which way wile listening to the idle.
Soooooo, would this be correct?
mike you can do it your way .sent idle as low as you can get on carb with out staleing.i would do the push rod ones not rotateing/spinning first and get them spinning.
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06-27-12 09:53 AM - Post#2241919
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I wouldnt say that is "my way" I was just explaining that having no idea what I was doing, that is what I would do. If that works then sweet, Im smarter than I thought lol.
On a side note, I did notice the ones NOT spinning were wayyyy more hot than the ones that were. So good call, Ill start there.
PS this is a really well written link on valve adjusting
http://www.speedprint.com/deves50/valveadjust.php
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06-27-12 10:13 AM - Post#2241932
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that tight one is the first to do it should be no hotter than any other all should spinner freely.that is a great link mike. and would be the way to go but can be very trouble some for the beginer but once learned works well but always need to twick even with that wides up with .the ear!!! to get right
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06-27-12 10:24 AM - Post#2241936
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that tight one is the first to do it should be no hotter than any other all should spinner freely.that is a great link mike. and would be the way to go but can be very trouble some for the beginer but once learned works well but always need to twick even with that wides up with .the ear!!! to get right
Arnieg, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it better that they are a little loose and noise then overly tight? ...just something to think about.
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06-27-12 10:25 AM - Post#2241937
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Right on Arnie,
Thanks for all the help. So for now Ill go home and see if I cant get those tight ones to spin freely, as well as find the loud ticking one/s and do some minor adjustments.
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06-27-12 10:43 AM - Post#2241942
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carl true you should never have a tight one thats how valves get burnt and push rods bent. some cars esp. with solid lifters you may not get out all clicking from them but some you can .you will never get a solid lifter car as quite as a hydrolic lifter car but can get it close
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06-27-12 12:37 PM - Post#2241977
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Ive read the valves are supposed to be a little noisy, but not like this. Its annoying while driving especially when you accelerate.
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06-27-12 01:07 PM - Post#2241986
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you are so right mike solid lifter alwas have a littie click but with motor raced up or driveing should be gone.it takes awhile to play around adjusting them .but you'll be ok
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06-27-12 01:17 PM - Post#2241987
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Oh yeah, Im not worried about it. STOKED that this thing is driving again. 100% more motivation to keep working away on her. LOTS to do still. All exterior trim, basically all the electrical will need to be done, radio, interior trim etc. But at least shes running.
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06-27-12 01:32 PM - Post#2241995
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Last question, if the lifter is not rotating, should I turn it to the left or right? Im assuming lefty loosy righty tighty, but Ive been wrong before.
Thanks guys
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06-27-12 02:09 PM - Post#2242011
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you just loosen nut just enough to turn the adjuster screw . . right tight left loose 
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06-27-12 04:56 PM - Post#2242055
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that tight one is the first to do it should be no hotter than any other all should spinner freely.that is a great link mike. and would be the way to go but can be very trouble some for the beginer but once learned works well but always need to twick even with that wides up with .the ear!!! to get right
Arnieg, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it better that they are a little loose and noise then overly tight? ...just something to think about.
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06-27-12 05:00 PM - Post#2242057
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Ive read the valves are supposed to be a little noisy, but not like this. Its annoying while driving especially when you accelerate.
Can you be certain the noise you hear on acceleration is NOT the timing being too far advanced, as opposed to a valve clatter noise ?????
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06-27-12 05:03 PM - Post#2242058
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Last question, if the lifter is not rotating, should I turn it to the left or right? Im assuming lefty loosy righty tighty, but Ive been wrong before.
Thanks guys
You will not see any lifter rotating, but you will see a pushrod turning. You NEVER want to get the adjustment TOO TIGHT, for you will do damage then to the valve.
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06-27-12 05:31 PM - Post#2242068
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Mike, only tighten 1/4 turn at a time. When you get them all where you want them, retard your timing a couple of marks on the octane selector, per what Bob G stated. The noise on acceleration could be from the timing being too advanced.
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06-27-12 06:40 PM - Post#2242091
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I wondered the same thing. When these engines were made (or shortly thereafter) premium "ethyl" was 100 octane (103 for Standard "white" gas) and regular was higher than today's mid level/as high as today's premium. Preignition ping from the lower octane is often refered to as "the valves rattling" by drivers.
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06-27-12 11:40 PM - Post#2242162
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Read this partial article on the history of gasoline.
The History of Gasoline Octane
As the high compression engine era was gaining steam in Detroit during the early to mid 1950s, the need for higher octane gasolines was becoming more and more apparent. When automobile production resumed in 1946 following World War II, gasoline octanes in the United States averaged at 79 for regular and 85 for premium and those numbers climbed year after year until 1954, when premium gasolines were rated as high as 94 octane and regular at 86. Oil companies were promoting their gasolines, especially their premium grades, with claims that their fuels increased power and gas mileage while cleaning out the carburetor and other engine parts to wash away accumulated carbon and other deposits while regular usage prevented the future buildup of such. Among the additives widely promoted by leading oil companies were Texaco Sky Chief with Petrox, Super Shell with TCP, Mobilgas Special with a Double Compound ingredient and Sinclair's Power-X featuring a nickel additive.
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06-28-12 04:59 AM - Post#2242184
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oh ya bob.
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06-28-12 06:09 AM - Post#2242200
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When I was talking about the noise when accelerating, I meant the ticking. There is one pretty loud ticking valve and when Id accelerate it would be pretty noticable, where it was all you could really hear in the cab.
I did some work on it yesterday, and some of the push rods have been replaced witrh much beefier looking ones. One of these is also the "ticker" I adjusted it either way til it started to quiet up.
The car is running really well now. Sounds nice and happy. Also, while adjusting the valves I notived oil is making its way up there just fine which is a good feeling. Took it for a drive and felt very confident in its mechanical ability.
Time to start a new thread on the next journey.
When I bought it
Doing some body work/rust removal
How she's lookin now
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06-28-12 06:20 AM - Post#2242204
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When I was talking about the noise when accelerating, I meant the ticking. There is one pretty loud ticking valve and when Id accelerate it would be pretty noticable, where it was all you could really hear in the cab.
I did some work on it yesterday, and some of the push rods have been replaced witrh much beefier looking ones. One of these is also the "ticker" I adjusted it either way til it started to quiet up.
The car is running really well now. Sounds nice and happy. Also, while adjusting the valves I notived oil is making its way up there just fine which is a good feeling. Took it for a drive and felt very confident in its mechanical ability.
Time to start a new thread on the next journey.
When I bought it
Doing some body work/rust removal
How she's lookin now
Great work Mike!!
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