kingkreeton
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06-19-12 05:51 PM - Post#2239260
I just read the below thread talking about lead/unleaded gas. Great info. I did not want to jack the thread so I started another.
There is a local gas station here advertising "ethanol free" gasoline. It is about 25 cents more than regular 87 octane. I keep hearing that ethanol is bad for vehicles with carbs. Is that true and is it worth the 25-30 extra for the ethanol free gas?
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Allan In NE
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06-19-12 06:58 PM - Post#2239282
In response to kingkreeton
Yeah,
It's really expensive for the industry to 'leave something out' of the fuel. 
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64 impala ss
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06-19-12 07:59 PM - Post#2239301
In response to kingkreeton
I also have heard it is bad for engines. The issues I hear about ethanol are it absorbs water, suffers phase separation, causes drop in octane, has decreased shelf life, and works as a solvent on engine parts. I personally can't truly verify these facts as correct, but it doesn't sound like something that would be GOOD for engines. There are still places here which sell 100% gas without ethanol. I buy the 100% when I can. It's the same price as 10% ethanol, at least for now. I think ethanol is being forced on us as a political stance by the government.
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Mad Joe
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06-19-12 11:58 PM - Post#2239349
In response to kingkreeton
The "real stuff" is still available in some areas, but that will change as time goes on. For my Corvette, I run the 93 octane without ethanol.
If you haven't seen this site, I think you will find it interesting. You will be able to find stations that sell the good go juice. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on your state.
Looks like 9 stations in Wilmington.
http://www.pure-gas.org/
Edited by Mad Joe on 06-20-12 12:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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FleetsideLarry
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06-20-12 06:03 AM - Post#2239384
In response to kingkreeton
used to live in Wilmington, great city/area.
re: the price difference, you're still paying for the "cheaper" blend, you just don't see it when you pay for your gas 'cause it's coming out of a different check (the one they take your taxes out of)
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 Dave64SS
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06-20-12 06:28 AM - Post#2239391
In response to FleetsideLarry
???? the ethanol blended into gasoline is less expensive than straight gas. partly becaused it is subsidized. gasoline without ethanol will then be higher priced. also, i think as part of ur point, straight gasoline gets taxed more than blended..cause again the ethanol gets taxed at a lower rate.
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roccaas
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06-20-12 08:21 AM - Post#2239427
In response to Dave64SS
Check your carb floats. They need to be neoprene or brass so the booze won't dissolve them. We've had a lot of trouble in the Model A world with cork gaskets and floats disintegrating in the booze. The shop in JAX rebuilt mine for E10 gas, but I still run marine gas.
Boaters have the worst problems. Older boat's fiberglass tanks build up horrendous gunk when exposed to booze, and of course a water attracting addition to gas is terrible in marine environments.
For the good old American lifestyle: For the money, for the glory, and for the fun... mostly for the money.
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free_bird49221
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06-20-12 10:26 AM - Post#2239460
In response to roccaas
sucks i looked in 2 states and closest place to me is 40 minutes away 
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64 impala ss
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06-20-12 12:37 PM - Post#2239493
In response to Mad Joe
Mad Joe, I used that site before too. Not to concerned with my newer vehicles but like you I still prefer to use real gas in my C3 vette.
Dale
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64 impala ss
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06-20-12 12:45 PM - Post#2239494
In response to roccaas
roccaas, you are so correct on marine use of ethanol in older boats. It has been a nightmare for me with mine. It almost has taken the fun out of taking the boat out on the water.  You would think someone would provide real gas on the water or at least close to the water for boaters to prevent the long drives to get more when needed.
Dale
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brasii
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06-20-12 12:48 PM - Post#2239495
In response to kingkreeton
Hello! just an info from Europe : here ,in France , gasoline is a luxury product : to give you an idea, 8 dollars for 1 gallon..So i put Ethanol (4,5 bucks for 1 gallon) in my 1999 Peugeot (carb.) without any trouble (with a kit flex fuel) and ,last but not least, LPG (3,5 bucks for 1 gallon) in my Impala 1966,since 2008  !
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64 impala ss
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06-20-12 12:52 PM - Post#2239498
In response to brasii
brassi, I've got a friend in Holland who has also converted all of his cars to LPG. He said he could afford to drive if he had to use gasoline in them.
Dale
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FleetsideLarry
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06-20-12 02:42 PM - Post#2239541
In response to Dave64SS
???? the ethanol blended into gasoline is less expensive than straight gas. partly becaused it is subsidized. gasoline without ethanol will then be higher priced. also, i think as part of ur point, straight gasoline gets taxed more than blended..cause again the ethanol gets taxed at a lower rate.
actually, Dave, that was exactly my point. subsidies are our tax dollars. gov takes our money (income taxes or whatever) and gives some of it to the industry so they (industry) can sell us a product "cheaper". HUH? It's not just this circular logic that gets me, it's the whole "energy independence" argument.
I am not certain, I'll admit, but I believe this whole "american ethanol" process (at least from corn) is a net energy user and a tremendous waste of ground water.
But more importantly, the way gasoline is marketed after it's refined from the oil in american refineries, is that it's sold to the highest bidder (for instance, China, now), it does not stay in this country unless WE pay more for it. Ethanol, canadian oil pumped across our farmland above our aquifers, and tapping our own precious reserves don't give us one once of "independence" from foreign oil. It is a Global Market, controlled by multi-national companies that have not one iota of patriotism to any one nation. The USA is a net exporter of refined oil products.
All we have to do is convince an American oil company (if there is such a thing) to sell its gasoline to us for less than it can sell it to another country. Then we'll have that $2/gal gasoline some politicians have promised.
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