 Valentinesr
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 05-31-12 09:39 PM - Post#2232050
I'm really stumped.. I spent the last three out of four years in the middle east... Two in Afghanistan and this last one in Kuwait.. When I would come home to visit, I would fire it up and check everything... This last tour, I wasn't able to give my car any attention.. So long story short.. It won't fire up or even turn normally.. I had the starter rebuilt, checked all my grounds and connections. The crank turns if I do it by hand, but the it seems the starter is just not strong enough. Its newly rebuilt, and the same starter I've run on my car. I need some advice and help... If you can give me a call, that would work too, or I can call you.. Thank you in advance.
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05-31-12 09:43 PM - Post#2232054
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First, thanks for your service. Know it is appreciated.  
What are we talking about here, year, model, etc?
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05-31-12 09:46 PM - Post#2232056
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I think if you have a "load test" done on the battery, you'll find your problem. Butch/56sedandelivery.
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05-31-12 09:48 PM - Post#2232057
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I appreciate the support and thank you for that.. I have a 1949 Chevrolet 4 Door De Luxe.. I have a 235 of a 1954 in it..
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05-31-12 09:52 PM - Post#2232058
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I did that... I even tried using my charger to jump it and also tried jumping it with my truck and cables.. Had the same result, slow crank and not even a full turn.. Like a quarter turn.
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05-31-12 11:09 PM - Post#2232066
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Try disconnecting the positive cable on the 6 volt battery clamp your positive lead from the jumper cable to it and the ground to the chassis. Then hook up your truck and see if that works. If that doesn’t work I would have the starter checked.
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06-01-12 04:56 AM - Post#2232103
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Welcome home brother.......glad to see ya
Do a complete system check
Start with the basic.
Electrical............
compression,
oil
pull the plugs and see how she cranks.
flush the oil from the block
run a load test on the battary
if it was running fine than its probably not serious just annoying
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06-01-12 06:18 AM - Post#2232133
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Thank you for your service!!
I'm not trusting your wires, do as suggested above and report back. Don't worry, we'll wake her up for you. 
BTW - we are talking 6v and CORRECT wires right? Not the off the shelf 12v ones from the local store.
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06-01-12 07:20 AM - Post#2232149
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Thanks fellas for the support, just took my daughter to the recruiter yesterday.. Says she wants to join... Takes her test in a few weeks.. Proud of her. Ok.. The info above sounds like a good start, I'll be doing that this morning. It's a 12 Volt system but with a generator no alternator. I'll report back on my findings.. Thanks again everyone, definitely needed some experienced advice here.
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06-01-12 08:59 AM - Post#2232178
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How old is the battery? I bet the generator is not getting the battery up to full charge with such intermittent use, so the battery has "worn out." I would take your battery to your local parts store and have them do a full test of it.
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06-01-12 11:21 AM - Post#2232218
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I just did that.. and your right.. it was my battery.. Optima.. bought another one.. a new one.. Okay.. so now the engine is turning like normal.. BUT!.. I have no fuel getting pumped up.. I cracked the output line to see if fuel was getting pumped out.. and dry as a bone.. I have about a half a tank in there.. I added some fuel before I started to mess with it.. Is there a possibility that the fuel pump needs to be rebuilt or replaced?? Im hoping theres nothing clogged.. Any advice is more than appreciated.. Thanks
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06-01-12 11:29 AM - Post#2232221
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Is there a possibility that the fuel pump needs to be rebuilt or replaced?? Im hoping theres nothing clogged.. Any advice is more than appreciated.. Thanks
It is possible, but the tend to leak when they go bad. If it's not leaking or pumping, the problem should be visible if you remove the pump.
I assume you have the stock pump. Are you sure you're cranking it long enough to draw fuel into the system? Do you have a vented cap? if so, is the vent plugged?
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06-01-12 11:35 AM - Post#2232223
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I have a GM Locking Gas Cap.. Yes original fuel pump to the engine.. As for cranking.. I dropped some fuel into the carb.. just to get the engine to run a little.. but it wasnt very long.. I did that a few times.. hoping that it would draw up and start performing... The fuel pump isnt leaking anywhere.. so I guess thats good thing.. Maybe crack the fuel cap and see where that gets me?? I dont have a compressor to try and pressurize the system..
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06-01-12 11:45 AM - Post#2232226
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Will it fire off with a little starter fluid or some gas dribbled down the carb throat? Butch/56sedandelivery.
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06-01-12 12:11 PM - Post#2232236
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It might be your locking cap...the stock cap was vented and that locking cap might be for later systems that do not need to be vented.
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06-01-12 12:23 PM - Post#2232242
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Tap the carburetor with a large screw driver handle. The needle valve might be stuck in the seat from sitting.
Remove the gas line at the carburetor then crank the engine to check the fuel pump operation. Hope this helps.
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06-01-12 12:30 PM - Post#2232245
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I have a glass inline fuel filter leading to the carb. No fuel coming from pump.. I cracked the gas cap so it's venting.. Tried cranking again but no fuel to the carb. I'm about to take the fuel pump off and check that monster.. Does NAPA replace these old fuel pumps? Or is it better to rebuild them.. I like original parts.. I do have another 235 in my sons 1942 Chevrolet Special DeLuxe.. But I don't want to snatch parts from his car..
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06-01-12 12:33 PM - Post#2232249
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Yes it will fire off with fuel dribbled down the carb.. Just no fuel getting to the carb from the pump..
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06-01-12 12:35 PM - Post#2232251
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If the needle in the carb is stuck closed you will not get gas in the glass inline filter until there is flow.
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06-01-12 12:46 PM - Post#2232254
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Ok.. I'll tap that carb and try again.. Thanks for the info
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06-01-12 01:14 PM - Post#2232263
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Pull the gas line off the carb and stuff it in a bucket or plastic cup. Have a friend turn it over and see if the gas gets there. It might take a while to get it up there.
If you get gas it's a carb issue, if not, it's the pump or some blockage. Check the simple stuff first - like the fuel filter.
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06-01-12 02:01 PM - Post#2232281
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Okay just pulled the line going to the carb from the pump, and cranked.. Nothing coming out of the pump side.. So as of right no there's no supply to carb..
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06-01-12 03:13 PM - Post#2232307
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If the pump is an old one the diapragm probably has failed. This would be true if the pump was manufactured prior to 10% ethanol fuel. NAPA normally can get you one in one day for around 30.00 but my though would be to pull the pump tear it down and clean it as old gas remaining in the pump may have turned to varnish and hs it plugged up. If any of the fuel in the tank is over a year old regardless of new gas added I would also drain all that and dispose of it.
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06-01-12 05:00 PM - Post#2232333
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Okay.... Took the pump off.. Definitely see fuel coming in on the input end.. So something's stuck in there.... Went to NAPA and checked to see if they had one... They did, but it's aftermarket... Not too fond of that stuff.. So I'm gonna try and rebuild it and go from there or look for someone to rebuild it... Once that's done, I'll reply back... Thanks fellas....
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06-01-12 05:02 PM - Post#2232334
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Okay.... Took the pump off.. Definitely see fuel coming in on the input end.. So something's stuck in there.... Went to NAPA and checked to see if they had one... They did, but it's aftermarket... Not too fond of that stuff.. So I'm gonna try and rebuild it and go from there or look for someone to rebuild it... Once that's done, I'll reply back... Thanks fellas....
Their fuel pumps are okay. Remember any thing that NAPA sells is acutally after market and not necessarily OEM. If you purchase a rebuild kit it will be close to the price of a new pump and you do not want a NOS kit, as all the parts will be old, old, old.
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06-01-12 06:51 PM - Post#2232376
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Okay.... Took the pump off.. Definitely see fuel coming in on the input end.. So something's stuck in there.... Went to NAPA and checked to see if they had one... They did, but it's aftermarket... Not too fond of that stuff.. So I'm gonna try and rebuild it and go from there or look for someone to rebuild it... Once that's done, I'll reply back... Thanks fellas....
Their fuel pumps are okay. Remember any thing that NAPA sells is acutally after market and not necessarily OEM. If you purchase a rebuild kit it will be close to the price of a new pump and you do not want a NOS kit, as all the parts will be old, old, old.
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06-01-12 08:05 PM - Post#2232403
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I have a NAPA fuel pump on my 235 and it works fine. When I got it a few years back it was number M751
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06-02-12 09:53 AM - Post#2232530
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Did ya try (carefully) pouring a little fuel down the output tube and then turning it over ? I have had this problem with my motor. New tank + new lines = everything bone dry ! I thought I had a bad pump or I didn't install the pump correctly, but then I tried this trick and, sure enough, it spit it right up.
The pump doesn't pump unless the crankshaft is spinning; meanwhile, the starter motor can't spin it fast enough or for long enough to get that first pull through a very long straw.
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06-02-12 10:31 PM - Post#2232763
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Okay.... Thank you brothas for your help and support.. Got her running again... I was reading the last thread on pouring some fuel down the output line.. I took the fuel pump part and on the top portion there was a valve for the output line that was stuck.. Cleaned everything up and installed.. She's good to go.. Took a little bit to get her running smoothly.. But she is.. Thanks again for everything.. I'll try to post some pics...
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06-03-12 03:29 AM - Post#2232779
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Outstanding!
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