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Username Post: 1963 Impala seat belts        (Topic#280254)
Kdurgin 
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05-04-12 01:46 PM - Post#2222446    
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VIN 21847T123706 Tarrytown New York Plant
1962 Impala 2dr Sport Coupe
Build date 09B Second week Sept.
RPO 240XF SS package
Trim 891D Gold Vinyl SS bucket seats
Paint 927A Anniversary Gold
1847 Impala 8 2D SPT CPE 2776.00
313T Powerglide transmission 199.10
324B Power steering 75.35
104D pushbutton radio 56.50
1806A 750x14 Ply WSW 31.55
148B seat belt equipped 20.45
333H 2 spd wiper 17.25
300A Turbo Fire 327 Engine 83.95
69.00
Total 3524.65



So my '62 was built in September of 61. The floor eyes for the front belts had the nylock insert. Is that what your talking about happened in phase four? If so, they must have been changing to the new phases very quickly and most of the production would have been phase 4 or 5.

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Verne_Frantz 
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05-04-12 03:08 PM - Post#2222474    
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Do you feel that is an original window sticker?

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05-04-12 05:59 PM - Post#2222539    
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I don't know if it would be called a window sticker or shipping document, but yes I do feel it is original.





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62 Impala SS 383 Small Block, Tremec TKO 600, 3.70 gears. Black.

2011 Corvette Grand Sport dry sump 6 speed 436 H.P 2LT. Black.

1965 C-10 SWB BBW Fleetside Black.

2003 100th Anniversary Harley 2 tone Silver and Black Road King.





 
Verne_Frantz 
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05-05-12 06:03 AM - Post#2222649    
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The Car Shipper document certainly looks original to me. It's very interesting and unusual that the original floor hooks had the plastic rivet that early in production. That's just not what I've witnessed on other cars.

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05-05-12 07:00 AM - Post#2222669    
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I believe I had posted pictures of the document in it's entirety previously and you had commented about it. Maybe they phased the eyes in with the nyloc inserts different times at different plants? At least Tarrytown had them by September apparently. The eyes sure appeared to have never been messed with when I removed them. I installed rear belts in my car also. I cut two sets of the factory oval backing plates with nuts that are welded to the underside of the floorboards out of other vehicles and got four more eyes with the nyloc inserts for the rear seat belts I installed.

62 Impala SS 383 Small Block, Tremec TKO 600, 3.70 gears. Black.

2011 Corvette Grand Sport dry sump 6 speed 436 H.P 2LT. Black.

1965 C-10 SWB BBW Fleetside Black.

2003 100th Anniversary Harley 2 tone Silver and Black Road King.





 
Kdurgin 
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05-05-12 08:10 AM - Post#2222702    
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The factory backing plates/nut assemblies were rectangular not oval.

62 Impala SS 383 Small Block, Tremec TKO 600, 3.70 gears. Black.

2011 Corvette Grand Sport dry sump 6 speed 436 H.P 2LT. Black.

1965 C-10 SWB BBW Fleetside Black.

2003 100th Anniversary Harley 2 tone Silver and Black Road King.





 
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05-05-12 10:18 PM - Post#2222968    
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Kevin, Did your gold car come with black belts? My 927 gold car has "tan" dealer installed belts with the eye bolt floor anchors and I want to change to the correct color if it is black. Thanks.



 
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05-06-12 04:34 AM - Post#2222998    
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It's been 5 years since I removed them. I discarded them a couple years back as they were in really bad shape and I bought new black ones as my car is black inside and out now. I used some black rubber sleeves I took out of a 64 wagon to cover the outboard floor eyes. I'm pretty sure the OG ones were a tannish color though. Sorry I can't be 100% positive though.

62 Impala SS 383 Small Block, Tremec TKO 600, 3.70 gears. Black.

2011 Corvette Grand Sport dry sump 6 speed 436 H.P 2LT. Black.

1965 C-10 SWB BBW Fleetside Black.

2003 100th Anniversary Harley 2 tone Silver and Black Road King.





 
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05-06-12 04:54 AM - Post#2223011    
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Thanks for the update Kevin. Maybe Verne or another member can be of some help here? I have known my Impala since it was picked up at the local Chevy dealer during lunch back in May of '62 and vaguely remember the belts being installed at the auto repair place where we both worked. BTW, The original owner recently had a 100th birthday. Leo



 
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05-06-12 07:26 AM - Post#2223067    
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Leo, If it was a May built car, the webbing should definitely be color keyed to the interior (4 row). I'd think the sleeves should be color keyed also but I wouldn't gig them in judging if they were beige.

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05-06-12 12:11 PM - Post#2223146    
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Thanks for the update Verne, I will keep them the beige color. Leo



 
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12-02-17 09:04 PM - Post#2716692    
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  • Verne_Frantz Said:
What I know has been gathered from emperical evidence on original cars, as the information has never been published nor can one track the changes by part numbers (except for colors). Without writing a whole article, these are the basic iterrations of '62 belts.
Phase 1. All belts were 4-row black webbing. The buckles had a plain polished aluminum latch (first, it was painted black, then polished) with no emblem. The sleeves were black
Phase 2. Buckles changed to ones with the large Chevy emblem glued on top of the latch. These had a small font IC-5000 on the back. Still 4-row black webbing with black sleeves. Also, the floor hooks did not have the little hole in them for the plastic rivet.
Phase 3. 4-row colored webbing was offered and beige sleeves were used on colors other than black.
Phase 4. Buckles now had a machined recess in the latch for the Chevy emblem and a larger font IC-5000. Color matched sleeves were offered and the floor hooks were punched for the plastic rivet. Webbing was still 4-row.
Phase 5. Very near the end of '62 production, the webbing was changed to the "'63" style 3-row. Everything else remained the same.
I haven't commented on changes to the linen patch because I don't have enough information on that. I've also seen short sleeves but I don't have good info to comment on those either. I consider them an oddity rather than a running change in production.
It's hard to pin down dates when these changes went into production because there were just not enough cars to document to narrow down the gaps. So, the phases run from early to late. For an example, an early April built car would have Phase 3.

Verne



My apologies for bring up an old post, however, I would like to get your opinion on the correct seat belts for my 1962 BelAir. This past summer, I found a 1962 Impala in a salvage yard. I was able to get the seat belts out of it, and the boots cleaned up quite well, although they have lost their original color. They have the 3 bar webbing which is much softer than any other seat belt that I have come across, and long blue vinyl sleeves. I spoke to Snake Oyl, and they said that the blue webbing was softer in texture than the other colors. I would like to have these restored using the blue boots, but I want to do it correctly. Would these be acceptable for a car built in April (St Louis)? Would this be correct for a dealer installed belts?






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pvs409 
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12-03-17 07:42 AM - Post#2716726    
    In response to junky

I have restored blue seat belts in my cars at home. They were restored by Snake Oyl. They sent samples of blue belts to pick the right color.
I have been collecting used 61 to 63 seat belts for years.

It looks like your buckles are pitted ,pits usually make them not restorable -since the pits can't be remooved during restoration.

Paul

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Verne_Frantz 
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12-03-17 10:15 AM - Post#2716743    
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Junky,
The "correctness" of seat belt usage is a variable. They could either be the type in production at the time the vehicle was built or a later style since the owner could have had the dealer install them after delivery. I think the type you have would be acceptable on a restored April built '62. I have a '62 that was built at the end of April with that style belt (only red).

Verne



 
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12-05-17 01:36 PM - Post#2716969    
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My son has a '63 Impala. There are no seat belts in it and we would like to add them. Without tearing up the carpet, are there factory provisions for seatbelts? And does anyone know who/where I can get seatbelts for this car? Thanks



Edited by Carolina Dreamin on 12-05-17 05:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Verne_Frantz 
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12-05-17 01:55 PM - Post#2716973    
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Chevrolet made rear belt sets for the '63. They matched the front belts, except for the mounting hardware. No carpet cutting needed. There are dimples in the metal floor behind the seat bottom where you drill holes. The instructions are found in the Accessories Installation Manual for '63. (they also come with new belts). The rear belts were only dealer installed - not RPO'd.
Search ebay for NOS ones or you can use aftermarket ones.

Verne



 
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12-05-17 01:58 PM - Post#2716974    
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Do you have the correct original front seat belts like those shown above(the blue ones with the buckles with emblems)?
If not you can purchase aftermarket belts with buckles but they probably will not match the front belt colors or your buckles.
Snake Oyl restores original belts and makes new belts in various colors (you just ask for sample colors to compare to your seats and belts you have).

Another thing you have to decide is how long the rear belts need to be to find all sizes of persons using the seats. I determined the sizes I needed for front and rear belts.

Rear seat belts in 61 to 64 Chevys had drilled holes in the floor board for the belts and large washers on the bottom side of the floor pan. My 62's have dimples in the "original" rear floor pans to locate the places to drill the holes for the seat belt bolts.

Paul

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62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
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12-05-17 03:58 PM - Post#2716983    
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Paul... what are your recommendations as to the proper length of the seat belts for both front and rear seats, Bench and buckets alike? I have a 1969 Cadillac, and the factory installed seat belts must have been designed for a child, since they are so tight on adults. I had them restored by Snake Oyl, and they made them exactly like the originals. I need to send them back one of these days, and have them made at least 12- 15 inches longer, so they are comfortable to use. I have also noticed on some of the NOS belts, that some with the same part number, will vary in length by a few inches.



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Carolina Dreamin 
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12-05-17 05:20 PM - Post#2716990    
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I have no seat belts at all. Misspelled a word and everyone thought I meant rear, sorry and thanks for the responses.



 
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12-05-17 06:53 PM - Post#2716999    
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There are rubber plugs in the threaded anchors for front seat belts. You will need to pull up the carpet to find and remove the rubber plugs. Looking from the underside, you can see the rubber plugs. Once you remove them from the top side of the floor, you can put your carpet back in place. Then using an awl located in the center of the anchor, poke through the carpet, till it comes through. This will be the center of the hole that you will need to cut in the carpet for the seat belt anchor. Once you have the hole in the carpet, and the anchor exposed, you thread the seat belt anchor in as far as it will go. This isn't a difficult task, but it can be time consuming to do it correctly and neatly.

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12-05-17 08:25 PM - Post#2717015    
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  • junky Said:
Paul... what are your recommendations as to the proper length of the seat belts for both front and rear seats, Bench and buckets alike? I have a 1969 Cadillac, and the factory installed seat belts must have been designed for a child, since they are so tight on adults. I had them restored by Snake Oyl, and they made them exactly like the originals. I need to send them back one of these days, and have them made at least 12- 15 inches longer, so they are comfortable to use. I have also noticed on some of the NOS belts, that some with the same part number, will vary in length by a few inches.





I will find my measurements that I came up with. They are for the factory mounts on 61 and 62's for the front fixed mounts and rear drilled holes.

Paul

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12-06-17 07:53 AM - Post#2717054    
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I believe 74 inches is the length for front belts. Not sure about rears.



 
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12-06-17 07:54 AM - Post#2717056    
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I know we are talking 63 here, but I am looking for seatbelts for my 64. I went to the web site for Seatbeltsplus.com under Chevy Belts / Impala / Bow Tie, and surprisingly has what looks quite close to the original 64 belts.

Many colors, crinkle finish on the buckle with a Bow Tie emblem very similar to the original emblem. So for not a crazy amount of money it looks like a reasonable choice for a 64 at least.

Has anyone used them, opinions on quality, etc.?

Thanks, Doug

https://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/images/productpho...

Also above, thepartsplaceinc.com has very similar ones.



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12-06-17 09:31 AM - Post#2717064    
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  • pvs409 Said:
  • junky Said:
Paul... what are your recommendations as to the proper length of the seat belts for both front and rear seats, Bench and buckets alike? I have a 1969 Cadillac, and the factory installed seat belts must have been designed for a child, since they are so tight on adults. I had them restored by Snake Oyl, and they made them exactly like the originals. I need to send them back one of these days, and have them made at least 12- 15 inches longer, so they are comfortable to use. I have also noticed on some of the NOS belts, that some with the same part number, will vary in length by a few inches.





I will find my measurements that I came up with. They are for the factory mounts on 61 and 62's for the front fixed mounts and rear drilled holes.

Paul



Here are the original measurements (taken from the 4 to 5 sets of 61 to 63 originals I have):

Original front seat belts where about 62 inches (19" tonque and 43" latch)
Original rear belts were about 70 inches(30 inch tonque and 40 inch latch) -original rears belts were wrapped through slots in the mounting brackets -- restored and reproduction belts are sewn at the mounting brackets

Measurements to fit all size persons that I recommend:

Front = 70 inches
Rear = 70 inches

Most reproduction belts are sold 60 inches, 70 or 72 inches or 90 inches. (90 inches are too long and 60 inches are too short)

I just had a set of restored original 62 blue belts restored by Snake Oyl in Texas for front and rear using 70 inches for front and rear. The front length accounts for "not" cutting the lower seat cushions for the belts.

See attached pictures of a set of red 61 to 63 Chevy seat belts with the original front mounting hardware.

Paul



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61 to 63 restored original belts -done by Snake Oyl in Texas


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61 to 63 original front mounting hardware (rear hardware is new) - original black boots on front belts


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62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
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12-06-17 11:20 AM - Post#2717079    
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Bought front seatbelts for my 63 Impala from Planetseatbelt. 74" with Chevy logo. Good price, super fast shipping. No complaints.



 
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12-06-17 12:29 PM - Post#2717091    
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Keep in mind that the '62 belts for bucket seats were longer than for bench seats because the inner belts criss-crossed over the trans tunnel.
The '63 & '64 belts may or may have not been different lengths between buckets and bench. I haven't measured originals to compare.

Verne



 
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12-07-17 05:56 PM - Post#2717233    
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I only had a front drivers side and pass. side in my 63 front bench . No holes in the rear will have to look for the dimples in the rear tomarrow . Im waitng for my carpet and seat covers to get here (any day now).

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12-07-17 08:36 PM - Post#2717254    
    In response to 69_BOWTIE

The picture attached is from a 61 Chevy Impala Hardtop.

The new seat belts I added to the car were drilled were the dimples where in the floor pan. The dimples are higher inside the car and/or dimpled on the bottom side of the floor pan.

My 62 convertible has factory floor dimples for 3 sets of rear seat belts (or 2 sets of belts) in the floor pan. You need to look carefully and think about the spacing needed for 3 sets of belts for the dimples in the floor.
I don't have the back seat installed yet, so I can take pictures of the 3 sets of dimples if needed.

61 to 64 floor pans are the same shape for all models.

Paul


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new seat belts - drilled holes at dimples in the floor pan.2 door hardtop


57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
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12-07-17 09:06 PM - Post#2717257    
    In response to pvs409

Interesting fact about the rear seat belts in 62 sport coupes and convertibles - there are only four dimples in the floor for two sets of seat belts and according to the Chevy accessory installation manual there was no provision for a third set of seat belts. I suppose the middle passenger could hold on to the two outer passengers in a crash but not very safe....

All the sedans (except utility sedan) and wagons were able to have three sets of belts fitted in the rear.

Cheers, Carl.

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12-08-17 06:39 AM - Post#2717294    
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Here is the seat belt instructions for the 61.



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