jephroe
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04-23-12 09:20 PM - Post#2218502
i'm trying to find out which V8 engine was in my impala from the factory is there a way or code on the chassis anyplace?
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Lamoogle
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04-23-12 09:57 PM - Post#2218516
In response to jephroe
I'm in the same boat!!!
I don't know what was factory in my 62SS, just know it is a true SS and was a 4 speed car...
It doesn't really mater on my car as it had no running gear in the car when I got it and is getting a BBC and th400 for now.
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jephroe
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04-23-12 10:03 PM - Post#2218517
In response to Lamoogle
yeah i have a 400 sb built to a 408 but i know they didn't come with a 400 sb i know mine is a 2dr sport v8 built in atl ga. and i know it was white but nothing on the drive train but that it was a v8
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 DonSSDD
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04-24-12 03:37 AM - Post#2218544
In response to jephroe
4 speeds only came with 327's or 409's. Original V8 fender emblems would tell you whether it was a 283, 327, or 409, but proving they are original to the car emblems is pretty much impossible. The VIN will tell you only if it was a V8 or 6.
If it was built or sold new in Canada, you can get a build sheet, I assume that is not likely for either of you.
Don
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ARKAR
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04-24-12 03:57 AM - Post#2218547
In response to DonSSDD
Couldn't the routing of the gasline possibly be an indicator? I know the 409 car's gasline was routed under the control arm, but some of the 327 gaslines were too. Can't remember what determined that, maybe it was a 327 with dual exhaust had the same routing as a 409? Weren't all the 283 cars gaslines routed on the inside(not under) of the control arm, between the engine and the frame? Can't remember.
Keith
Edited by ARKAR on 04-24-12 03:57 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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 Richard Martin
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04-24-12 05:39 AM - Post#2218569
In response to ARKAR
other 1962 clues
The 1962 283 came form the factory with single exhaust. The 327 and 409 all had dual exhaust.
As Don said the 283 wasn't available with a 4-speed.
The 327/300 and 409s when ordered with a 4-speed had a tachometer screwed to the steering column.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=1962+chevy+4 09+inte...
Richard
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04-24-12 06:13 AM - Post#2218576
In response to ARKAR
Couldn't the routing of the gasline possibly be an indicator? I know the 409 car's gas line was routed under the control arm, but some of the 327 gas lines were too. Can't remember what determined that, maybe it was a 327 with dual exhaust had the same routing as a 409? Weren't all the 283 cars gaslines routed on the inside(not under) of the control arm, between the engine and the frame? Can't remember.
Keith
I think the 327/300 shared this routing with the 409, but not the 327/200
My 64 was originally a 283 single exhaust so the original gas line was routed inside, close to the passenger's side exhaust. I installed the larger gas line that routes between the frame and upper control arm for my 327/300.
Line visible between the frame and upper control arm:
You can see just a bit of the line exiting from between the upper control arm and the frame. Hose clamp and rubber hose from there to the fuel pump.
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jephroe
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04-24-12 06:30 AM - Post#2218582
In response to dcairns
so if gasline has been replaced there is no way to tell if it was or was not a 409 4 speed or a 283 auto?i also heard that the motor was coded by a date code and can not prove that it was or was not orig.to car,is this true?and how much does it effect the value of my car to not have a motor they came with? (V8 400sbc)
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scruftypup
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04-24-12 07:32 AM - Post#2218599
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try www.348-409.com 
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jephroe
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04-24-12 08:49 AM - Post#2218628
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thank you scruffypup i was able to get my paint code and trim code but was not able to find out about the motor or what ACC X1 means if you or someone can stear me the right was it would be greatly appreciated  i keep doing lol
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04-24-12 01:56 PM - Post#2218708
In response to jephroe
so if gasline has been replaced there is no way to tell if it was or was not a 409 4 speed or a 283 auto?i also heard that the motor was coded by a date code and can not prove that it was or was not orig.to car,is this true?and how much does it effect the value of my car to not have a motor they came with? (V8 400sbc)
If the gas line has been replaced you can still look alongside the passenger side frame rail for evidence of exhaust hangers. If it had duals, it had the 3/8th fuel line, and if it had those it was either a 250hp or 300hp 327 or a 409. If it was a factory 4-spd then it would have a 1" hole in the firewall behind the left cylinder head for the back-up harness. If it was a 409, the engine harness would have a ballast resistor in line with the positive side of the coil rather than a resistance wire going straight to it from the harness.
As for value, it is based on what is in the car at the time of sale...........unless you can prove it was an original 409 car, which at this time, you can't. The ballast resistor would be your best clue if it is still there and original. If it is there, take lots of photos.
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ARKAR
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04-24-12 02:42 PM - Post#2218724
In response to Verne_Frantz
A 409 car would also have the return gas line located on the passenger side of the frame. Also has the pickup/sending unit that would accept the return line into the fuel tank.
Keith
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62sedan
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04-24-12 04:38 PM - Post#2218755
In response to ARKAR
A 409 car would also have the return gas line located on the passenger side of the frame. Also has the pickup/sending unit that would accept the return line into the fuel tank.
Sorry....... not in 61 or 62.
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ARKAR
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04-24-12 05:29 PM - Post#2218789
In response to 62sedan
No need to be sorry. My bad, didn't know that the '61 or '62 409 cars didn't have the return line. Good to know.
Keith
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jephroe
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04-24-12 08:43 PM - Post#2218853
In response to ARKAR
ok thanks i will look for those clues now if i can figure out what ACC X1 on the tag means lol
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doubleE
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04-25-12 04:15 AM - Post#2218895
In response to jephroe
As for an auto or manual, check the drivers side frame rail for the clutch bracket or the automatic linkage. The clutch bracket is repo'd so this would not be conclusive but carefull examination of how it's welded to the frame may determine if it's original.
So if you have an original clutch setup, but no evidence of a factory t.ach, it would have been a 3 speed. There are several other items to check to help support which transmission was original like the tach sender on the inner fender and the hole in the floor for a 4 speed, or the 3 speed colum linkage.
All of these clues would be suspect on a restored car by someone who had the knowledge to replicate what they wanted. For instance the clutch bracket I plug welded to the frame of my original PG car would fool all but an expert looking very carefully. But the frame still has the PG linkage bracket about a foot further back. I wasn't trying to decieve anyone.
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Richard Martin
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04-25-12 06:54 AM - Post#2218925
In response to doubleE
"So if you have an original clutch setup, but no evidence of a factory tach, it would have been a 3 speed." ??
Eric, you forgot the 327/250/4-speed didn't come standard with a tach.
Richard
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04-25-12 09:50 AM - Post#2218962
In response to Richard Martin
rich i worked at chevy dealer part time 61/65 my neighbor ordered a new 62 impala 327/250 /4 speed/posi-no tack i was there when it came off truck and bought it off him in 1972
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Richard Martin
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04-25-12 10:06 AM - Post#2218964
In response to arnieg141
You could order a '62 327/250/4-speed with the tach but it was an extra cost option. RPO 331 @ $48.45.
Richard
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jephroe
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04-25-12 10:31 AM - Post#2218975
In response to Richard Martin
thank you all for picking your brains i would of never known such stuff and wouldn't know how to find out now if i can figure out the dang X1 puzzle lol
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doubleE
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04-25-12 03:59 PM - Post#2219068
In response to Richard Martin
Richard,
I can't find my 62 accessory price guide but thought for sure the tach came with the 4 speed reguardless of engine which could have been any of the 327s or 409s.
But I will yeild to your expertise. The old memory bank is not what it use to be 
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04-25-12 04:45 PM - Post#2219091
In response to doubleE
My memory isn't all that great either.
Here is another way you can tell about the 4-speed and the tach.
The retail price on the RPO 331 tach as a stand alone option was $48.45.
The RPO 685 4-speed price for the 327/250 was $188.30.
The RPO 685 4-speed retail price for the 327/300, 409/380 and 409/409 was $236.75. That's $48.45 more that the 4-speed price on the 327/250 because the tach was included with the 4-speed option for the 327/300, 309/380 and 409/409.
Richard
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04-25-12 05:02 PM - Post#2219100
In response to Richard Martin
Richard and Eric
I have a 4 speed ss car no tach and no sign of a tach having ever been there . original
engine was gone when I got it had a 1959 283
in it t-10 is date correct and has the cars vin sequence stamped on it . all that to confirm
that i probabbly have a 327/250hp 4 speed no tach
car
Mark
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Verne_Frantz
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04-25-12 06:43 PM - Post#2219143
In response to impalamark
Somewhere in the very old dark past of this site I posted a copy of the Finger Tip Facts excerpt about the 4-spd option. It stated that the tachometer was included with the 4-spd option with 300hp, 400hp and 425hp motors. (or in the case of '62, the 300hp, 380hp and 409hp engines.)
The price differences posted by Richard bare evidence to that.
It's funny how the same old questions keep coming up over and over again.
Verne 
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jephroe
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04-26-12 10:29 AM - Post#2219340
In response to Verne_Frantz
ok i'm slow lol but from what i am getting is that if someone has a V8 car and knows the tell tell signs it wouldn't be that hard to find a date correct 409 and run some gas lines and add clutch correctly when restorng their car it would be almost impossible to prove it was not a factory 409-409HP?
Edited by jephroe on 04-26-12 10:30 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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04-26-12 10:37 AM - Post#2219342
In response to jephroe
I would not pay the market price for a 409 car unless there was documentation proving its origin.
As a rule you generally get what you pay for. Show me the build sheet or something that verifies that build.
Poocho
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jephroe
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04-26-12 10:59 AM - Post#2219345
In response to mpris
to MPRIS i would never clone a car nor pass it off as original mine came to me with no motor so i been bashing my head trying to find out what motor came in it im stuck on the X1 code but find that has nothing to do with which V8 it came with and was asking that Q that way because as you say i would want proof and i also want to prove which motor came in mine tho its not the holy grale i beleave all the V8 cars are going for good money i just want to know what should be in it would that be on the build sheet? and how would i get one?
Edited by jephroe on 04-26-12 11:01 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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62sedan
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04-26-12 02:18 PM - Post#2219403
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i just want to know what should be in it would that be on the build sheet? and how would i get one?
Chances are you'll never know for sure which engine was factory installed in your car without proper and definitive documentation that ties your car's VIN to either a build sheet or a shipper's copy for your vehicle.
If, after looking in all the "regular" hiding places (behind the rear interior side panels, in the springs of the rear seat assembly (back and/or bottom), possibly in the front seat springs, under the carpeting, glued to inside of front fender, etc, etc) and you can't or haven't found it, then you probably won't.
And, you'll never be able to get one for your vehicle as Chevrolet did not keep copies of these documents....... unless it was Canadian produced.
Edited by 62sedan on 04-26-12 02:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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jephroe
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04-26-12 03:24 PM - Post#2219427
In response to 62sedan
damn the interion has been redone same as body wat b4 i got it i know its a V8 car that was white with red interior bench(that has been changed to factory buckets) and guees it had RH/LH mirrors (X1)?it needs redone tho i now do not have a garage or tools since my divorce so hoping to sell it and get a harley if i cant find out if it was a 348 or a 409 car
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04-26-12 03:29 PM - Post#2219430
In response to jephroe
It definitely was NOT a 348 as those were last installed in the 1961 models.
Sorry, but chances are it was a run-of-the mill small block, and more than likely just a 283 as opposed to the 327.
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