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Username Post: Installing Jag front end under 53        (Topic#275572)
53Chevy 
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03-14-12 11:37 AM - Post#2202485    
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This the brake pedal and M/C pictures. The next thing is going to be the sway bar.

 
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03-14-12 06:43 PM - Post#2202689    
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very nice set up on the shock mounts much nicer then what i have seen in some other clip conversions.

what master and pedal set up are you using? i like the look of no booster.
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03-14-12 07:14 PM - Post#2202705    
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Man, that is looking good. I like all you have done, and the picture updates are great.

HEY, I have an idea. When you guys come thru this way you could just stay with us a while and you could guide me thru the process. LOL

Seriously, you are doing a good job. And I found all the brake fitting for mine, thanks for the info.

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03-14-12 08:49 PM - Post#2202759    
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Thanks for the complements from you guys.

The brake setup is from Walton Fabrication. I was very impressed with how easy it was to install. I don't have room for the booster. So therefore the manual setup. Anything will be better than what I had.

I order the hoses for the power steering tonight. This nice guy, Andrew at Jaguar Specialties helped me. His company makes part for converting Chevy engines into Jaguars. So they make the hose that fit the different power steering pumps. I spent several days trying to find fitting that would work with the Jag rack and Chevy pump. Their hoses are ready to go.

The next thing is the sway bar. Going to use the Jag sway bar and make some brackets to attach to the frame. I'll take pictures as we go along.

Johnnie by the time we get to your place in June you'll have it all done. I am really looking forward to seeing your car and how you did your installation.

 
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03-14-12 09:40 PM - Post#2202775    
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Luke, that is good news on your hoses. Gets you closer to the road trip!

I think I am going to use the gen 2 pump on mine from a sunbird. Which one did you use? I'm going to have to make the brackets to mount it.

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03-15-12 04:27 AM - Post#2202823    
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Johnnie, I'm useing a GM gen 2 pump with the remote reservoir. The problem with that pump is the o-ring seal on the hose. They are hard to find hoses or the o-ring fitting that work.

I used this pump on the rank that I had on it. It worked well.

Another problem that I don't have completely worked out is hooking up the steering column to the steering box. Jag uses a 42 spline 3/4" shaft. I need a double knuckle to clear the frame. I have the Jag one but I don't like it. I have welded a 42 spline coupler to a double knuckle joint. We'll see how that's going to work.

 
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03-16-12 10:22 PM - Post#2203652    
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Luke, someone posted somewhere that Borgeson makes an adapter for that steering. Now I'm not sure they do but I remember reading that somewhere. I don't know why your adapter wouldn't work just as well. Getting from point A to point B is the objective, and not in a strait line.

I've got my AC and Alt brackets in getting them Powder Coated now. When they get back I will start the Ac install. Fingers are crossed!!!!

I'll keep you posted, you do the same. Thanks again for all yu gooooooood advice.

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03-17-12 04:48 AM - Post#2203681    
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whats wrong with the jag double knuckle? besides the fact it looks completely different then anything anyone else would design?

i am going to use all the jag stuff,if the column is too short i will have it lengthened.

im hoping with the telescopic feature it will fit jussst right.

i will start posting pics of my progress this week,as stuff is actually starting to take shape.
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03-17-12 09:41 AM - Post#2203761    
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Daniel, glad you are getting started. Looking forward to the pictures so we can keep up with your progress. I have most of the stuff to put mine in but just don't have the time. I don't want to start and it set for a month or two.

Luke has done such a good job of posting and pictures he has made it a lot eaiser for many of us.
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03-17-12 08:17 PM - Post#2203987    
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Daniel. The problem I have with the Jag double knuckle is that there is not enough room and it rubs on the frame. With the location of the steering box there just not room. Now maybe with the Jag steering column the angle might be different and it might not rub as much as it does with Ididit steering column that I'm using. Iwas thinking if nothing else works I might try to box the frame a little to allow the room needed. I'm going back at it tomorrow.

Johnnie: Good to hear that you got your A/C stuff. Will be looking forward to your progress reports. Finally got all of the brake lines hooked up. Going to bleed them tomorrow. Hopefully there won't be any leaks. Had to use a few couplers and T-fittings. It's good that most of the lines are out of sight. I have never been able to get the bends with a tube bender the way I want them. It is a crusier not a show car. "Not for show but hell for stout". Much like my welding.

Depending how the day goes I'll post somemore pictures tomorrow night.

 
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03-17-12 09:22 PM - Post#2204018    
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That sounds good. Every little bit gets you closer to the road trip. I know what you mean about the brake lines, I never get them bent the way I want them either. I know what you mean about the crusier. I had a 55 Bel Air HT, and I had a plate on the dash that said "If you see this car on a trailer call 911 it's stolen."

I have been really thinking about keeping the Gen4 from Vintage or going with the Hurricane. The Hurricane is so much smaller. No cutting the bottom of the dash. Which ever I will post the progress.

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03-18-12 04:35 PM - Post#2204324    
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Here are a few more pictures.

Pic.#1 You can see that the grommet are smaller than the bracket. The Parts Store said that these are the only ones that they list. So I made them work. The plate is welded to the frame. Then we cut a piece if 1/4" piece and put some weld spots on it to keep the grommets from moving and that 1/4" piece is to compress the grommet holding it tight.

Pic#2 It is just a shot from the bottom.

Pic#3 Showes what it looked like completed.

Pic#4 A shot of the sway bar at the spring.

Got the brakes bleed and spent time getting the leaks stopped at the fittings. I just have a hard time tighting the the fitting as tight as they need to be the first time. I can look at a brass fitting and strip it.

Daniel: Iam going to a single joint at the steering box up to a single joint at the bottom of the steering column. Had to move the steering column up about 1 1/2" to get a go slop down to the steering box. That should take alot of the slop out of the steering and it gives me more room at the steering box. How are things going with your projecr?

Johnnie: Hope you will have your done when we come to visit. The Hot Rod Power Tour is going to stop for the night not to far from your house on one of the days we are hoping to stop by to visit. I might be giving you a call tomorrow night.

 
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03-18-12 08:37 PM - Post#2204430    
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Looks good Luke. Brakes done and sway bar in is a good thing. I look forward to getting on here to see how much more you have done.

Do give me a call. The number You have is my cell so I will have it with me. Look forward to talking again.

Johnnie
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03-18-12 10:23 PM - Post#2204466    
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Looks neat!
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03-19-12 02:44 AM - Post#2204488    
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looking good

i am going to finish up the brackets and get the subframe mounted on wednesday,its my day off and no kids around makes me surprisingly productive

spent the weekend with the kids and wife,went to the butterfly conservatory (yes im flashing my gay card right now) kids loved it, i think i ate a monarch butterfly by accident.

once i get some stuff done willpost pics as well. keep on trucking,looks factory fresh.
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03-24-12 10:01 PM - Post#2207126    
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Well another set back. Was hoping to put the fenders back on tomorrow and maybe even have it running by tomorrow night. But,being Mr. Fixit, I was having a little trouble with the tilt wheel so I order a new bearing set from Ididit. It only took a week for the bearing to get here.

The outside race for the bearing must be a pressed fit. Not having any way of pulling the race out I tryed several different thing. Nothing work so I have these little files and I started filing. An hour passed and then another and I was not half way through it. Another couple of hours passed and I'm still filing. I had used all of the patient the Good Lord had given me. So out came the chisel and hammer. The chisel I had was just a little to big, so off to the parts store to get a smaller one.

Now, another hour and a half passed with me gently hitting the chisel and making very little progress. This is about the time the German in me is starting to come out. The blows are getting harder and harder. There is more Blue smoke rolling out of the garage. Next, I got the bigger chisel and a bigger hammer out.

I have ordered a new chrome tilt steering column to replace the broken one that still has the outer bearing race in it. The new one should be here next Thursday or Friday. With a little luck I hope to have the 53 running next week-end. I'll post pictures of it when I get it in.

 
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03-25-12 08:43 AM - Post#2207219    
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  • 53Chevy Said:
.....Nothing worked so I have these little files and I started filing. ....... So out came the chisel and hammer. ...... The blows are getting harder and harder. ......I got the bigger chisel and a bigger hammer out.

I have ordered a new chrome tilt steering column to replace the broken one that still has the outer bearing race in it.



We can all relate!! I've had a few of those Oh Crap moments myself, just after you've broken something you didn't intend to break.
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03-25-12 03:06 PM - Post#2207359    
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Oh, Luke I hate that. I saw a new post on this topic and thought "new progress can't wait to see." BUMMER!

Rrausch, is 100% correct, been there and done that. About an hour ago had a brand new Radiator cooling fan laying on the fender of my coupe, guess what's laying in the floor now broken? yep!!!! The wife walked by and said "did you break you fan?" (black plastic peices laying there) Boy, it was hard to keep my mouth shut.

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03-29-12 07:50 PM - Post#2209028    
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Hey Mr 53, have you made any progress?

I'm getting along with my Coupe remodel but having problems getting the pictures loaded.

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03-29-12 08:25 PM - Post#2209039    
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I will be at it again Saturday. Got my new steering column yesterday and should get it in on Saturday. If that should go as planned will put the fenders back on and buttton it down Sunday afternoon. But what do they say "The best layed plans of mice and man". I'll take pictures and get them posted as soon as I can

I have a hard time when ever I try to post pictures. It's not that hard. It's just I can't remember which steps it takes to reduce the size and then post them. I can't wait to see your pictures.

I was wondering how VANDENPLAS is coming along with his project. He was hoping to start on it last week. Want to see his pictures also.

 
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03-30-12 07:27 AM - Post#2209153    
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That's good news. I'm having trouble uploading pictures too. When I get it figured out I will Post them. I am looking forward to seeing the yellow 53 on the road again.

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03-30-12 03:25 PM - Post#2209290    
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i have been trucking along.

i have the plates all done but i dont have the clip installed yet.

life just seems to keep getting in the way.lol.

oh well i have a day off this week so im hoping to get it installed then.

i have some pics just need to get them off the camera and on the 'puter
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03-31-12 05:29 PM - Post#2209675    
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There is good news and there is bad news.

The good news is that I have the new steering column in and hooked up, ready to put the fenders back on.

The bad news is that I have a seal leaking at the top of the rack tower and had to take it apart again.

Can anyone tell me how to get that seal out? How far apart do I have to take it to remove it. This seal is at the top of steering box or pinion just below the splines where the column knuckle attaches. I hope I'm making myself clean on this.

I checked with all of the parts stores in the area and none of them have a seal and most don't even have a listing for it. I found some on the internet and they call them rack tower seal. Is this the part that I need? Thank you, in advance for any help you might be able to give.

 
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This is my 3rd attempt to post these pictures. I'll learn how to do this the first time, one of these days.

Pic #1 Is the 3 different knuckles that I have: the Jag double knuckle, the first double knuckle that I made up and the single knuckle that I used.

Pic #2 This is what it looked like when installed. I'm happy with the angle that it has from the column to the rack. The knuckles don't have much of angle and work really smooth.

Pic #3 This shows the single knuckles from the column down to the rack tower.

Pic #4 I just had to show off my new steering column.

 
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LOOKING GOOD

sucks about your rack leaking.

that upper seal is accessed by completely disassembling the rack and getting to the seal from inside the rack.

really hard to do as the preload needs to be spot on and the rack center point (and i mean down to thousandths of an inch or else the rack wont steer correctly and if the centering is not done correctly you will blow out the seals the first time you turn the wheels. (ask me how i know )

anyways i can check with my brother if he still has my old jaguar manuals and i could scan and e-mail the rebuild procedure if i can find them.

better to get e rebuilt rack, they sell up her for just over 300 bucks fully rebuilt and with new poly bushing installed in the mounting points.

cheaper and easier then messing with trying to rebuild it, also to build one you will need special tools for the seals and rack and a dial indicator and a dial type torque wrench as well.

hope this helps.

i will try and post pics this week.
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03-31-12 09:12 PM - Post#2209739    
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Right, good news and bad news. You are just to darn coose for this stuff. Daniel may have the right idea on a rebuilt unit. I think that I'm going to have mine done before I install it.

I wish I was close enough to help!

Same situation for me. Got the new alum. Radiator in and bolted up. The transmission cooling lines hooked up, and a leak on one of the line coming out of the radiator. It felt funny going in (loose fitting threads). Now it's stripped. I guess I will have some kind of port welded in.

I asked my wife if this was supposed to be fun. She said "To you it is".

Glad to know that, it must have slipped my mind!!!

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03-31-12 11:44 PM - Post#2209782    
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When I rebuilt my '76 Jag's front suspension I took the power rack to a rebuilder and let him rebuild it. It was perfect after that.
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04-01-12 07:26 AM - Post#2209834    
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I'm going to take Daniel advise and either have this one rebuilt or buy a remanufacture one. Which ever I can get the fastest.

I should have done what Robert did with his and have it rebuilt right off. But, everything else was in such good shape on it that I never thought I would have this problem. Silly me!

So, this afternoon I'll pull it out.

Johnnie, I know what you are saying as I slowly crawl out from under the car to grab a shop towel and duck tape to stop the blood from running down my arm. I often have to remind myself that I'm having fun, now.

An old, old buddy of mine, who is also a gearhead, has asked me several times if I want to go half with him in buying a boat and take up fishing. But, with our luck we would get in the middle of the Mississippi River and the motor would quit and we would end up in the roller dam, with out a paddle.

 
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getting it rebuilt is the easiest.

the rack that came with my car has new bushings,boots,and outer tie rod ends, so i suspect it was rebuilt at one point,but it has been sitting for a while with out fluid being circulated so i am going to chance it and see what happens once its in the car.


yeah i know what you mean.i went in the garage yesterday to get some stuff done on the car,i needed the drill press to make some holes in a plate for my shock mount set up,well my drill press has been sitting in my trunk since i moved (8 months ago!!!!!!) so i get it out of the trunk and think that it sitting on the floor just does not work for me, so i fab up some brackets with my mig welder for a shelf, then find that my bench grinder is in the way so i need to move that so i decide to make a mini shelf for it and to d o that i need my band saw to cut some metal,so i get the band saw but its got a wood blade on it so i fart around and get the steel blade on then make the grinder shelf mount it,then finish mounting my drill press,clean up and put the grinder on the bench and mount it,find a better place for my tool box now that i have 2 more pieces of equipment in the garage (witch is a puny 11x17 one car garage with all this and my car in there.then sweep and clean all the wood dust and metal filings off the floor and bench.
ahhhh finally i can drill those holes i need for my car.

then i hear the wife "daniel come inside time to put the girls to bed"

REALLY??? REALLY???? I SPENT ALL AFTERNOON IN THE GARAGE AND I DID NOT DO 1 STINKING THING ON MY CAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hear ya about wanting to take up fishing,but knowing me i would pull the boat out of the water for some "minor tweaking" and have it in a full tilt resto/custom job for 3 plus years!!!!!!

the wife would have my censored if i pulled another one while im still building the chevy.
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I finally figured out how to post these pictures. This is as far as I have gotten. I will post more later.

Luke I hope you are getting along with yours. I don’t mean to hijack this post, but you had ask me to let you know how I am doing.

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