brad_bb
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01-17-12 08:51 AM - Post#2180271
I've been chaning my oil for 25 years now. Last night I went to change it in my daily driver. I was screwing the new filter on and as I was feeling for the when the gasket made initial contact, it felt different than normal. It was harder to turn, yet as I turned it an additional 1 turn, it didn't feel like it got tigher. So I turned it a little more, and a little more until I felt it get a bit tighter. I should have known something was wrong, but I didn't realize it. So I filled with new oil and decided to start it and back it down off the ramps out of the garage to get it on level ground to check the oil level. Well as I was backing out, I saw a puddle of oil on the shop floor and a stream as I backed out. I then hurried to drive it back in and up the ramps. By the there was a big puddle outside on the concrete, and all over the shop floor. It had pumped almost all four quarts out. I discovered that the gasket from the old filter had stuck in place on the engine and I had installed the new filter over the old gasket. of course it did not seal thus the mess. I spent an hour soaking the oil up with shop towels and oil dry-which I barely had enough of, and then cleaning with solvent.
Lesson:
1. If something doesn't fell right, question it.
2. Always check the old filter for the gasket.
3. Keep enough oil dry in the shop fur the unexpected.
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01-17-12 10:06 AM - Post#2180299
In response to brad_bb
You are not alone, a number of years ago I took my car into the dealer for service which included a filter change. When I walked to the car my habit of looking under the car kicked in and saw a large puddle of oil. I called the service manager over and he asked the lube man if he had run the engine and checked the oil. Of course the answer was you bet. He then took him over to look at the puddle and was he ever embarrased. Replaced the filter with a new one and all was okay but the engine would have been toast in about 5 minutes if I had just left the dealership with out looking. When ever I park a car I always look under it when I come back, so far this has caught a failed water pump, two leaky filters and an oil pan drain plug that had been cross threaded at the factory. 
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wagonman100
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01-17-12 06:58 PM - Post#2180505
In response to 2blu52
Happened to my old manager on his '79 Firebird...twice. You'd think he would have remembered to check after the first time. I think he always remembered after that. I started calling his car the Pontiac Valdez.
Jay
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awsum55
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01-17-12 07:53 PM - Post#2180532
In response to wagonman100
Years ago my wife wanted to learn how to change her own oil. I told her what to do, and warned her about the gasket sticking to the engine (but told her it almost never happens) She asked for the tools and went into the garage by herself, she didn't want me to show her how to do it or watch.
15 minutes later she comes in the house and tells me she's all done. She has almost no oil on her hands and when I went out to see what she had done, there was no oil on the floor or anything.
I told her that it's very easy to get oil on your hands if you are not careful and praised her for doing a great job. Then I asked her to go start the car and check for leaks.
She comes back in the house freaking out because she pumped most of the oil back out of the engine, onto the floor. Yep, there was a gasket stuck to the engine when I pulled the filter. She told me she thought it was part of the block. I always use my fingernail if I can't see clearly if the gasket is there or not.
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brad_bb
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01-17-12 08:29 PM - Post#2180551
In response to awsum55
You have to give her alot of credit though for learning and doing it herself. Tell her it even happens to the best of us Chevy guys!
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awsum55
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01-18-12 08:42 PM - Post#2180864
In response to brad_bb
Even though that was the one and only time she changed her own oil, I am still proud of her for wanting to know how it was done.
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wagonman100
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01-18-12 08:59 PM - Post#2180871
In response to awsum55
That's great she wanted to do it for herself. I always look at the old filter to make sure the gasket came off with it.
Jay
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72novaproject
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01-19-12 07:53 AM - Post#2180972
In response to wagonman100
I started calling his car the Pontiac Valdez.
  
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01-19-12 04:30 PM - Post#2181157
In response to 72novaproject
I changed some oil last month. I had the type of catch container with a hole in the center for the oil to go into, the oil came out of the car and hit the plug on the container and deflected the oil all over the driveway. I think I might give Walmart a chance next time.
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01-21-12 08:33 PM - Post#2182041
In response to Charlie57
I changed some oil last month. I had the type of catch container with a hole in the center for the oil to go into, the oil came out of the car and hit the plug on the container and deflected the oil all over the driveway. I think I might give Walmart a chance next time.
Say it ain't so!!!!!I don't think I would trust most of the guys at walmart, at least around here to do it right.
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HAL_396
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01-22-12 05:26 AM - Post#2182107
In response to brad_bb
That is more comman than you would think......
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72novaproject
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01-22-12 06:28 AM - Post#2182121
In response to HAL_396
My wife has (or did) have hers changed at the Kwik-Kar down the road. She pulls up and I spot a puddle. Sure enough, filter loose. After the third time I said no more at that location. That was about a year ago.
I got a call just a few days ago from a guy that said I may have noticed his location has been shut down for a while and he is the new franchisee opening it back up. I never noticed but drive by it every day. He wanted to call all the old fleet accounts to get them back in. I know it’s under new management but I will never go their again.
I think we have all left a gasket on the block a time or two but when you do it for a living (like I did) that mistake creates a huge liability for the owner of the shop. My simple procedure is to always search for and positively identify the old gasket before screwing on the new filter. If you know where it is you don’t have to worry about where it shouldn’t be. After all there are only two places to look for it.
Steve
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01-22-12 09:45 AM - Post#2182169
In response to 72novaproject
http://forum.grumpysperformance.com/viewtopic.php?...
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01-25-12 12:24 AM - Post#2183175
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Good info Grumpy
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01-25-12 03:23 PM - Post#2183389
In response to Keith_Knox
i worked at a meineke a few years ago.
HOOME OF THE $19.99 OIL CHANGE.!!!!
the boss always had the knuckle dragger high school drop out chaniging oil as it was the only way he though at least were he could break even on doing oil changes so cheap.
well in the year i worked there he paid for:
3 engines
1 cylinder head
and untold driveway washes and reseals due to double gaskets or loose drain plugs or missing drain plug gaskets.
i would laugh and laugh as he would always come out at the end of the day and all proud say "we closed 50 work orders, or 60 or 70 etc....."
i would always toss it back in his face and say, how many were 19.99 oil changes and how many were real paying jobs? not to mention how may 19.99 oil changes do we need to do to pay for that last engine screw up?
he REALLY did not like me.
but i also made him phone the chrysler dealer one time for pointgs and condenser for a 2003 dodge ram he was a little humble the rest of that day.
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02-13-12 06:35 PM - Post#2190361
In response to VANDENPLAS
I had a customer one time bring me his own oil and filter in a 95 Tercel. I drained the oil, screwed on the filter, and filled it up with oil. I then started it, and checked the level. The customer went to pay, and I backed it out of the shop. When I put it in forward, and looked ahead, there was a long puddle of oil across the hoist, the doorway, and a nice 90 degree puddle where I backed out of the shop.
Car went back in, the old filter had fallen off and was laying on the floor next to the door. I checked it, and the hole was just slightly too big to fit on the block. The filter was on the side of the motor, so the threads felt like they screwed on no problem, and the filter tightened up no problem, but it was just as I was backing it out it fell off.
We found the right filter, and to this day, I always check for the o ring and to make sure it screws on right.
~~Timothy~~
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02-14-12 04:02 AM - Post#2190467
In response to drummertom
....I think I might give Walmart a chance next time.
Say it ain't so!!!!!I don't think I would trust most of the guys at walmart, at least around here to do it right.
I got an oil change for my truck at Walmart and the technician was a young girl. She was a bit on the short side. A bit later I learned that she may not have been tall enough to see the top of the engine. When the job was complete I paid and drove off. Once the engine heated up smoke began comming in thrugh my ventilation system. I pulled over and there was oil all over the top of my engine. I reached for my receipt and noticed that there was a charge for an additional 1/2 quart. The amount of oil on the top of the engine. I returned and complained. I told the manager that spillng the oil wasn't what really pissed me off. It could happen to anyone. It was the fact that they charged extra for it and they know what the capacity is so they should have known that it was over filled! He refuned my money and offered to clean it. I declined the cleaning and took car of it myself. Felt bad but what could you do, forget it?
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02-15-12 06:21 AM - Post#2190839
In response to brad_bb
Yooooooooo Brad,
Good to see you around here!! 
Glad you caught the double gasket issue FAST! 
I have one for the gang.... beware of oil filters wrapped in shrink wrap. I had a customer destroy their engine. A piece of the shrink wrap was INSIDE the oil filter - it was sucked into the oil pump and the rest was history. 
Warranty took care of the problem - but still - always inspect the INSIDE of the oil filter before screwing it on your special ride.
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wagonman100
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02-16-12 10:56 AM - Post#2191262
In response to bowtieollie
I had forgotten about another story. The same guy that had the Firebird had a Caravan that he had had the engine replaced at one time. He was changing the oil in that at work once and I saw hime struggling to tighten the oil filter. He said that the nipple for the oil filter was too long and when the filter would normally be tight, it didn't touch the block yet, so he had to tighten it even more and collapse the inside of it to get it to seal to the block.
Jay
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02-16-12 02:47 PM - Post#2191343
In response to wagonman100
I was at the lumber yard and was outside the car (with it idleing in neutral) checking my load with the yard guy when all of a sudden I hear the lifters clacking. I quick shut it off and looked under the car and the canister had blown off the block.  This happened a couple years ago and you can still see the stain.
I replaced it with a spin on conversion.
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02-16-12 06:28 PM - Post#2191423
In response to Sting Ray
Lucky Dog you are!!
Glad it was idling and not going down the road at 60mph.
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02-21-12 09:02 AM - Post#2193339
In response to bowtieollie
Yeah, after I had finished my 55 HT, I got into timberframing (working with big wood) the last few years which has drawn some of my attention away from car stuff. I've got a few car things that I need to get finished though - a Pontiac engine that needs assembled for a 64 GTO that needs finished, my 62 IMP conv. that needs restored.
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02-21-12 08:08 PM - Post#2193612
In response to brad_bb
Just when the 260A's had come out, a friend of mine that worked in a Datsun service department told me about a kid they hired to do lube and oil. supposedly, he was experienced, but....
He had been doing oil changes his first day, and by lunch, there were a whole lot of really unhappy customers. Their just serviced cars had all sorts of oil leaks. Seems the kid didn't have that much experience, he filled every engine he had changed the oil on, full up to the top of the valve cover oil fill hole, every one.
He didn't last too much longer there, was gone by mid-afternoon.
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02-21-12 08:40 PM - Post#2193627
In response to IgnitionMan
Sounds like he had lots of experience! Just none of it good.
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05-03-12 08:51 AM - Post#2221943
In response to someotherguy
i will not take my rides back to Walmart. my last ride was a 83 Chrysler 5th ave. went to them to get a oil change and was told they couldn't do it on my 318 because they not have specs on how to tighten the oil filter for my car. Sorry if you need specs in a shop on how to tighten the filter hell if your doing anything else to it. and this was just last December.
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05-04-12 07:03 AM - Post#2222316
In response to free_bird49221
My mother, bless her, is notorious for spur of the moment oil changes and tire purchases at Walmart. Every time, I have to tighten the drain plug or filter, and recheck the oil level. They have even broken the tire air pressure sensors.
I always tell her to let me service her car, but she says that she doesn't want to bug me because I have so much else to do. I'd rather take time to maintain her car rather than going behind someone else who got paid to mess it up. I have to be sneaky and carjack it just so I can work on it for her....
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05-04-12 02:27 PM - Post#2222439
In response to pctahlequah
Walmart is the last place I would ever shop let alone have one of their people touch my truck. I used to take one of my work trucks to jiffy lube. I only took it there because thats what they wanted and had an account set up for me since our shop was 200 miles from where I lived. I found loose leaking filters and they forgot to put on the 710 cap twice. I felt awkward letting them letting them work on my company truck but really didn't have any choice. I also hated the fact that every time I went in there they treated me like I was incompetent and tried to sell me all kinds of unnecessary snake oil. I also found it funny that after they ruined the pipe plug with the square hole for ratchet extension for the rear end and couldn't get it out they tried telling me it was a sealed unit that they couldn't service it. After 3 times of doing it in the past and stripping the plug it became the we dont do those here. No way do I take my junk yo any of those places.
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bobb
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05-04-12 07:19 PM - Post#2222549
In response to C10 Sleeper
haha, 710, i came across that one about 30 years ago with my best friend david. i will always remember that one cause he is gone about 26 years now.
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05-05-12 08:04 AM - Post#2222673
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My sister asked me what aw 710 cap was about 10-12 years ago and was dead serious. It threw me off and I had to have her show what me what in he world she was talking about. I laughed so hard when she pointed to the oil filler cap I almost lost my lunch.
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