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Username Post: '61 Impala & 500 Steering Box?        (Topic#248665)
cpptech 
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02-15-11 03:54 PM - Post#2047109    
    In response to cpptech

You are more then welcome to call me on the other questions. I'm in the office from 7-4 m/f... This would probably be easier to answer over the phone.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
Jalapeno 
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02-15-11 08:59 PM - Post#2047280    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Xavier, I'm sorry you've had a lot of problems with this install.

The pitman arm problem could have been avoided if you got the center link I recommended, the 5862CL center link. You can use your existing pitman arm with it, you don't need a different one. I don't know why you didn't see that in my earlier post. More importantly, I don't know why CPP tech didn't also recommend it.

You mentioned your 3 core radiator at the outset and you should have been told about the possible clearance issue at that time. I don't know why that wasn't done either. Hopefully the next version of the 500 gear will address this issue. Another solution would have been the Borgeson gear, no clearance issues with it, and CPP sells it too. Same technology inside, though manufactured by different folks.

Lots of miscues with this thread, which I find unusual. The info from CPP tech is almost always spot on.

Jalapeno


 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-17-11 04:58 PM - Post#2048087    
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  • Jalapeno Said:
Xavier, I'm sorry you've had a lot of problems with this install.

The pitman arm problem could have been avoided if you got the center link I recommended, the 5862CL center link. You can use your existing pitman arm with it, you don't need a different one. I don't know why you didn't see that in my earlier post. More importantly, I don't know why CPP tech didn't also recommend it.

You mentioned your 3 core radiator at the outset and you should have been told about the possible clearance issue at that time. I don't know why that wasn't done either. Hopefully the next version of the 500 gear will address this issue. Another solution would have been the Borgeson gear, no clearance issues with it, and CPP sells it too. Same technology inside, though manufactured by different folks.

Lots of miscues with this thread, which I find unusual. The info from CPP tech is almost always spot on.



Thanks Jalapeno for your help.

I did see your post and was going that route when I was advised it's a better repsonse if you just buy the "new center link" and so I did(Maybe a good sales pitch?). I don't know if that's true or not but I was trying to do best that I could with this set up or something like it. The Radiator issue I had heard about but when I went to CPP to purchase these items I asked again if I was going to have clearance issues and they said "NO". So I bought the set up.

I also heard that the Borgeson set up was going to be a problem with my original shaft and rag joint and that it was going to be a bigger problem finding a u joint & shaft. I saw the u joint & shaft Eckler sales so that might have worked but again was told that I was going to have a problem on feel of the steering wheel because it's not a rag joint and the road feel straight up will be a problem(another good sales pitch?).

All in all I guess that's why I came on CHEVY TALK to get advise and read what others have done but it seems with as many "clicks" as I've gotten on this post I'll be the first to do this and I'm fine with it. I've made some mistakes and hopefully others will learn from it. I'm not a rich or have money to throw away, I'm just trying to do the best that I can and get as much help from honest people and honest businesses. Hopefuelly the information that I've come up with on the board will help others in similar situations.

Another reason why I went with CPP: I have a friend who went with a Borgeson "600" and his out come wasn't good so I backed off from using their product. I've bought CPP products before with no issues plus they are a short drive up from where I live. I also wanted to eliminate as much as a problem as I could and this kit seem to be the ticket(lol).



 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-18-11 05:57 PM - Post#2048612    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Got the Pitman arm in the mail yesterday. Today I went to work on it before the rain came.



I measured 3 times for clearance and dropped the radiator off at the radiator shop for the notch.

Had a problem with the pressure hose and one of the fittings. I'll post the photo later this evening to see what we can do.

Thanks again for the help guys.



 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-22-11 04:02 PM - Post#2050456    
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OK, here is the CPP 500 box installed. I had to change the pressure hose because the angle on it wasn't working. I went to the parker store and had one redone. I wonder if CPP will give me my money back for the unused one?

Here it is installed and sitting nice.






 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-22-11 04:21 PM - Post#2050465    
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Did some cutting today. I measured 10 times just to be sure, preinstalled everything too and I prayed to the Chevy gods.




Once the shaft was cut I grinded the heck out of it and squeezed it into the rag joint from CPP. It fit like a glove.




Edited by XavierTheXMan on 02-22-11 04:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-22-11 04:45 PM - Post#2050475    
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Another look at what I welded together. Old shaft goes into the rag joint about 6 inches(overkill I know).



So I got timid when CPP mentioned "roll pin" and when I got feedback on that from gbafus
I decided to weld the pieces together. Did a nice thick bead weld around the old shaft and new rag joint. I grinded it slightly for looks and painted it black.



Sanded & painted and ready for install.







 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-22-11 05:01 PM - Post#2050487    
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Waiting for my radiator......




 
62sedan 
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02-23-11 05:35 AM - Post#2050699    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Xavier,

You did an excellent job on all of that. It looks great!!

Thanks for posting the pics of your fine work. I'm sure it will be an inspiration to others who may come up against the same problems and issues with this type of steering swap that you encountered.

Chuck






 
cpptech 
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02-24-11 07:10 AM - Post#2051258    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

FYI, You can clock the hoses by twisting the nut near the crimped end of the fitting to whatever angle needed.....

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-24-11 06:43 PM - Post#2051581    
    In response to cpptech



  • cpptech Said:
FYI, You can clock the hoses by twisting the nut near the crimped end of the fitting to whatever angle needed.....




Didn't look like you can do that with this?????






Here is where I need to notch my radiator. I "blue taped" it just so the shop knows where to cut.








 
outkast187 
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03-21-11 04:23 PM - Post#2065114    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

I went through the same exact stuff man...they should know better, but they sure sell a lot more parts this way! Its been 2 years of mine sitting there, I bought two of them. I got so disgusted with the project I stopped messing with the car and gave away the other 500 box. I told the guy if he ever got it working, just bring his car by so we could get this one going at least.

I spend hours on the phone with them, it was just a run around. And no, they wont refund you on the hose that doesnt fit...hell they forgot to even give me hoses at all! Great salesmen, but suck with getting their junk to work.

CPP has no earthly idea what parts it takes to complete the project, period.



 
outkast187 
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03-21-11 04:35 PM - Post#2065126    
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heres more proof,
http://www.348-409.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1482...

The CPP website is complete crap, its terrible.

The guys at CPP dont know what center link to use, or pitman arm, but they will sell you one. Well, they are always out of stock, so why not just tell us which one to get? I have every possible one that came on the cars...why buy one from CPP that isnt even chrome?

Why not show clearance? (I know, I know...because people wouldnt buy it)

Why not give size of needed radiator instead of a link to a damn $700 radiator that you "think" will fit?





 
outkast187 
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03-21-11 04:59 PM - Post#2065155    
    In response to outkast187

Lets try to make it simple for everyone.

500 box 63-64 Impala
Pitman arm
a) stock power 63-64
b) stock manual 63-64
c) dont know
d) i think cpp sells one that may fit

Idler arm
a) stock power 63-64
b) stock manual 63-64
c) dont know
d) i think cpp sells one that may fit

Center link
a) stock power 63-64
b) stock manual 63-64
c) dont know
d) i think cpp sells one that may fit

We will start there, I made it multiple choice to make it easier.



 
XavierTheXMan 
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03-27-11 12:26 PM - Post#2068056    
    In response to outkast187

  • outkast187 Said:
I went through the same exact stuff man...they should know better, but they sure sell a lot more parts this way! Its been 2 years of mine sitting there, I bought two of them. I got so disgusted with the project I stopped messing with the car and gave away the other 500 box. I told the guy if he ever got it working, just bring his car by so we could get this one going at least.

I spend hours on the phone with them, it was just a run around. And no, they wont refund you on the hose that doesnt fit...hell they forgot to even give me hoses at all! Great salesmen, but suck with getting their junk to work.

CPP has no earthly idea what parts it takes to complete the project, period.



CPP TECH! Can I still get my money back for that hose that doesn't work on my car? Never used and brand new????

So finally got it completed with a ton of headaches. Notched the radiator and still had to drill holes to make it fit right, had to move it higher. 3 core radiators don't work with this box.

In the end I should have listened to Jalepeno and followed his money saving tips. Does the box work? It does so far and I'm not "white knuckle" on the steering wheel when I'm driving on the highway.

Here is the completed project!









 
cpptech 
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03-30-11 07:38 AM - Post#2069465    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Yes, you can contact me for details on the return...

As for driving the car and the feel of the steering box its nice to drive correct? Just like the 55-57's the road feel and tightness of the box make it drive much like a newer car to drive.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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04-01-11 02:19 PM - Post#2070465    
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  • cpptech Said:
Yes, you can contact me for details on the return...

As for driving the car and the feel of the steering box its nice to drive correct? Just like the 55-57's the road feel and tightness of the box make it drive much like a newer car to drive.




I'll call ya next week about the return, THANKs.

Very nice on the open road. Drives like a dream and did I forget to mention this car is "lifted" on 14inch TrueSpokes! I can't wait to drive it up the coast to Santa Maria.





 
61ragtop 
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05-25-11 03:36 PM - Post#2094979    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

That is one tough lookin '61!!!!



 
63impala 
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02-05-12 07:57 PM - Post#2187634    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

x2 I would like to see a pic of how they installed the 500 box with the supplied hoses.



Edited by 63impala on 02-05-12 07:57 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
63impala 
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02-11-12 03:33 PM - Post#2189539    
    In response to 63impala

I got the hose to work. I used a bench vise and a hammer, bent the 45 to an 80 which works.



 
Asiff206 
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01-20-16 04:03 PM - Post#2603545    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Fantastic job getting this done!

I am about to start this journey on my 61 and I am curious, do you know if the 500 box has gotten any smaller? If not I will just do everything you did to get it in there. Oh and another question, how much was it to get that radiator done?





 
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