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Username Post: Holley Avenger MPFI installed and running!        (Topic#246665)
69CHVL 
Member
Posts: 205
69CHVL
Loc: PHILA, PA
Reg: 08-07-05
08-01-10 07:21 PM - Post#1954125    

!!!!UNFRIGGIN BELIVEABLE!!!!

Went for a drive. This thing is so responsive that I need to adjust my driving style a bit, as there is more power/response even as I let the clutch out. When I hit WOT...I KNOW I picked up mucho power over the 850 Holley I was running. This is so much more responsive than a carb that its scarey. My heart was racing a couple of times. This is from a guy who ran Prosystems/Holley HP carbs, so I know how a good carb runs. This is MUCH more responsive than ANY of them. These poor rear tires are just pleading for mercy.

The combo here is a 69 Chevelle, 509 (502 .030), 9.8:1, AFR heads, Comp XR286 248/254 .650 110lsa SR cam, 5 speed manual, 3.90 rear. Used a distrib and coil setup from a mid 90's pick-up truck. using the hand-held controller, no lie, took apprx 1 minute to get the thing setup and started! This was extremely painless.

However, it took me several hours to get this hood to close. This by itself was an accomplishment - a stock 69 SS hood with a VERY high single plane intake and 3" air cleaner. Had to make my own throttle cable bracket, and had to use my modified air cleaner base that I used to run a Victor Jr intake. Had to cut a small window in the base so the throttle arm will clear. Will need to fiberglass over this hole. The air cleaner is actually clocked a certain way. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. Perhaps a better way to go would of been to use a Victor Jr EFI intake, as it sits lower than this. Still need to do some tidying-up, I just couldnt wait to get the car out for a drive!

The hand held unit is sweet, all the vitals are available as you drive. So nice to adjust idle/spark/AFR from your seat, but honestly after you get these set, no real reason to have to keep messing around with it.

To think I spent years trying to get my carbs to idle, cruise, and WOT AFR #'s where I wanted, and never did quite get them and or the response to my liking. This handheld asked me the AFR's I wanted to run for idle, cruise, and WOT. Driving around its 14.0, WOT 12.5, and idle 14.0. Just did in minutes what I tried for years - amazing. From the drivers seat no less! Eventually will try 15:1 for cruise.

Car was a little choppy at first, and by the time I got back from a 10 mile drive I could tell it was running smoother. Car idles like a dream. Nice to see how the idle is stable...even turning the headlights on prior would drop the rpms by 50 to 75, now turning on the lights does nothing - the ECU adjusts. Lets not forget this thing data logs, has rev limiters, start retard (cranking rpm actually), electric fan controls, a/c control, and a bunch of other stuff.

Good stuff here folks. Now I know why the EFI guys love EFI.

***Again a big thanks to Doug F*** thanks Doug!













VINCE G
69 CHEVELLE SS 502
HOLLEY MPFI
TKO 600/3.90
*1.75/7.41/97.86/11.41/124.51*


 
Danny Cabral 
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Danny Cabral
Loc: Ellington, CT
Reg: 11-03-04
08-02-10 12:47 AM - Post#1954233    
    In response to 69CHVL

  • 69CHVL Said:
This is from a guy who ran Pro Systems/Holley HP carbs, so I know how a good carb runs. This is MUCH more responsive than ANY of them.


Welcome to EFI! I bet you'll never want to touch a carburetor again! Congratulations on your success.

If you can, post some pictures of the hand-held controller in action (screen shots).
Does it have a data monitor or something indicating RPM, MAP, TPS, CTS, MAT, AFR, Timing, etc.)?

May God's Grace Bless You

'78 BRONCO: 508" stroker, TFS heads, Dominator MPFI & DIS, A/C, Lentech Strip Terminator AOD, 3:1 Atlas II, modified Dana 44/60-lockers-4.10s, hydroboost/4-disc brakes, ram-assist/heim joint steering, 4" lift, 35" tires


 
69CHVL 
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Posts: 205
69CHVL
Loc: PHILA, PA
Reg: 08-07-05
08-02-10 04:46 AM - Post#1954265    
    In response to Danny Cabral

Dan, I'll do a video for the handheld as soon as I get a chance, but I love that thing!!!
VINCE G
69 CHEVELLE SS 502
HOLLEY MPFI
TKO 600/3.90
*1.75/7.41/97.86/11.41/124.51*


 
69CHVL 
Member
Posts: 205
69CHVL
Loc: PHILA, PA
Reg: 08-07-05
08-04-10 06:08 PM - Post#1955851    
    In response to 69CHVL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc-BDt1dj9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ6MiOWpCxI
VINCE G
69 CHEVELLE SS 502
HOLLEY MPFI
TKO 600/3.90
*1.75/7.41/97.86/11.41/124.51*


 
Danny Cabral 
Member
Posts: 3403
Danny Cabral
Loc: Ellington, CT
Reg: 11-03-04
08-05-10 01:01 AM - Post#1955981    
    In response to 69CHVL

Thanks for the videos. That's a cool little programmer because it can be used as a hand-held data monitor after initial setup.

Doug_F, just curious, can the HP & Dominator owners use that hand-held controller as a data monitor (if it's sold separately)?
May God's Grace Bless You

'78 BRONCO: 508" stroker, TFS heads, Dominator MPFI & DIS, A/C, Lentech Strip Terminator AOD, 3:1 Atlas II, modified Dana 44/60-lockers-4.10s, hydroboost/4-disc brakes, ram-assist/heim joint steering, 4" lift, 35" tires


 
64duece 
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Posts: 1037
64duece
Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 10-31-01
08-05-10 06:23 AM - Post#1956045    
    In response to Danny Cabral

Yes Danny,

The handheld controller is available separate and works just the same as a data monitor (although with limited tuning options)...i have the separate pn around here somewhere....
Dennis
55 Chevy 210
e85 Injected
572 Twin Turbo
4L80E



 
69CHVL 
Member
Posts: 205
69CHVL
Loc: PHILA, PA
Reg: 08-07-05
08-05-10 08:47 AM - Post#1956088    
    In response to 64duece

The handheld happens to have a usb port on it, anybody know what this is for??
VINCE G
69 CHEVELLE SS 502
HOLLEY MPFI
TKO 600/3.90
*1.75/7.41/97.86/11.41/124.51*


 
Doug_F 
Holley Subject Matter Expert
Posts: 4718

Loc: Bowling Green, KY
Reg: 08-20-01
08-05-10 06:10 PM - Post#1956340    
    In response to 69CHVL

  • 69CHVL Said:
The handheld happens to have a usb port on it, anybody know what this is for??



Nothing for right now.
Doug
1972 Nova
6.0L LSx, 80mm BorgWarner, 4L80E
9.51@143.8


 
octanejunkie 
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Posts: 466
octanejunkie
Loc: Los Angeles area
Reg: 11-12-09
08-08-10 09:09 AM - Post#1957472    
    In response to 69CHVL

Great project, great post and great links - thanks and congratulations!

I would love to go MPFI but I likes me my vortec heads so I was leaning towards TBI.

Starting to save my lunch money...

Very encouraging work, thanks for sharing
'59 Chevy 3100 Stepside
0.040-over 350, mild (214/224 @ .050) 112 LC cam,
vortec heads, air-gap, 600cfm carter, 2-1/2" rams horns,
built 700R4 w 2200rpm stall, 3.42 posi rear on top of 31.5" BFGs


 
ktm125sx06 
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Age: 33
Loc: Calgary, Canada
Reg: 05-09-09
08-11-10 11:12 PM - Post#1959739    
    In response to octanejunkie

danny C. that pic u got up there of the avenger mpi system on top of an intake for vortec heads,, how much would that set up be and is the avenger set up good for let's say a turbo... i have a 1990 block totally rebuilt but all cast parts, 30 over slightly dished pistons and gm vortec iron heads off an suv. long tube headers. or would an mpi system be pushing my luck with the stock parts? my system is a tbi with 65 lb injectors and i still can't get it to stop smellin rich as hell at idle. laters.

oh and those youtube vids are sweet. great demo and resourceful lookin fab work. congrats on your new system.

and octane junkie, the pic danny has up there... that is an mpfi set up for vortec heads.
signed; Johnathon MacLeod

1966 Biscayne


Edited by ktm125sx06 on 08-11-10 11:28 PM. Reason for edit: just noticed i should point sumthin out for a co-grease monkey

 
Danny Cabral 
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Posts: 3403
Danny Cabral
Loc: Ellington, CT
Reg: 11-03-04
08-11-10 11:46 PM - Post#1959746    
    In response to ktm125sx06

  • ktm125sx06 Said:
Danny C., that pic u got up there of the avenger MPI system on top of an intake for Vortec heads, how much would that set up be and is the Avenger set up good for let's say a turbo.


The Holley Avenger EFI systems are not intended for forced-induction applications. You need to custom tune and set parameters with a laptop.
http://www.holley.com/types/Avenger%20EFI%2 0-%204%... (click on application for pricing)
May God's Grace Bless You

'78 BRONCO: 508" stroker, TFS heads, Dominator MPFI & DIS, A/C, Lentech Strip Terminator AOD, 3:1 Atlas II, modified Dana 44/60-lockers-4.10s, hydroboost/4-disc brakes, ram-assist/heim joint steering, 4" lift, 35" tires


 
69CHVL 
Member
Posts: 205
69CHVL
Loc: PHILA, PA
Reg: 08-07-05
08-13-10 04:50 AM - Post#1960300    
    In response to Danny Cabral

Fortunately, you can laptop-tune the Avenger system. Biggest difference between the HP and Avenger systems is that the Avenger is more of a "kit", which includes the pump, injectors, and the hand-held unit. HP system requires that you purchase injectors and pump sized to you app. You will need a laptop to see anything.

All systems self-tune, so no differences there.
VINCE G
69 CHEVELLE SS 502
HOLLEY MPFI
TKO 600/3.90
*1.75/7.41/97.86/11.41/124.51*


 
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