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07-05-10 01:01 PM - Post#1940731
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Acutally Jeff, that was Chris goofing around on the dry erase board. Good help is hard to find... 
Thanks for the comments guys. Been finishing up the front fenders so I can fold that last flange on the door skin. I guess when you move fenders to get them out of the way you forget what is left to do on them. Sometimes it's better to trip over things I guess.
In addition to fixing the rust on top
I had this to complete....
Once done with that I saw a nice glancing dent that someone had left. I'm surprised (and relieved) that the wheel opening was not invovled in this.
Time for some off-dolly work using the slapper. It will spread out the blows a bit to leave less marks than the body hammer would.
Some 80 grit does a nice job of showing the highs/lows.... Worked it back and forth until most of the damage had been removed.
Some high build should take care of the rest... The bolt hole for the turn signal had grown due to rust, but we'll tackle that next time and then move on to the other fender...
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07-05-10 01:28 PM - Post#1940741
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Great work Robert.
Did you take anytime off for the 4th?
At least a hamburger or hot dog? 
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07-18-10 05:37 PM - Post#1947340
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Just a little bit, Jeff. Maybe it was on the 5th, though....
Just to finish up the passenger fender, needed to fix the upper hole for the turn signal. Looks like another spot that is a dirt/moisture/rust collector.
Need to fit the light to get a more accurate location for the new hole.
Cut a replacement out of 18 ga, and put some arc in it using the Lancaster shrinker and stretcher.
Welded, dressed, hole drilled.......
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07-18-10 08:50 PM - Post#1947446
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Excellent job as usual, Robert. 
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07-19-10 04:32 AM - Post#1947513
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Perfect! 
What's that circle on the headlight opening?
Well, a circle indicates an issue, obviously. 
So, how are you going to address that?
Is it small enough to just tack it with the wire?
Or am I jumping the gun on the next installment? 
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07-25-10 05:47 PM - Post#1950661
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Dang Jeff, I can't sneak anything by... 
The circled area above was a low spot, and I decided to fill it with weld and grind it flush..
.....and just when you think you're done, you find a thin spot in the metal from all the welding and grinding. So another replacement patch was installed.....
Now to show what the other fender has in store for repairs:
We'll start with the inner grill opening rust issue by drilling out the spot welds...
Original, pattern, and new....
Now this fancy hammer I used is sometimes hard to find in the store, but they are on ebay on occasion. 2" dia steel used as an anvil to form the sweep
trimmed and test fit......
Now for the front piece.....
....and the official template....
The start of the replacement....
Now in this next picture I used a mower blade that I'd thrown under the welding table about three years ago as an anvil, so you never know what will come in handy. (....but don't use me as an excuse for your hoarding issues, I'll deny everything... ...)
And for a test fit...and a comparison.....
And that will be all for tonight. I'll break out the grille stainless parts to check the contour for any needed tweaking next time.....
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07-26-10 09:00 AM - Post#1950917
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Sorry Robert, I find myself getting ahead of the teacher sometimes. 
I like that custom hammer. I like the holes you put in it to reduce wind drag while hammering. 
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07-28-10 07:20 PM - Post#1952299
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I hope the guys from Harbor Frieght don't see it, they'll just flood the market with 2 x 4 scraps as cheap imitation hammers. Then what will I do with mine?
Had some time this evening so I worked on the fender a bit more. Cut out the rust to make room for trimming the patch....
Folded the inner flange, which required quite a bit of stretching to maintain the curve.....
....and we'll get this tacked in another night....
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07-29-10 10:22 AM - Post#1952619
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Robert, the fenders I'm dealing with have heavy grind marks, dents and someones attempt at pounding out the deep dents so the metal is stretched. Do you ever have a job that is so bad that you get it close then use building primer or a skimmer of mud to straighten it out fully? I spent hours last nite sanding, filing and dollying the dents in a 2 ft area. They don't look even close to your works of art but its better than before.
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07-29-10 05:28 PM - Post#1952793
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Larry, the stuff you're looking at here is far from perfect, I think the camera is kind to me. I wouldn't see any problem attacking the fenders as you suggest, they should be better than they were so you at least improved what you had..
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07-29-10 06:32 PM - Post#1952835
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Isn't the camera a fickle thing.
Some things look great that maybe are not so much.
(like my car... )
Or it will make your finely polished aluminum panel, that looks perfect by eye, look like it was rubbed with a pot scrubber.
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07-31-10 10:32 AM - Post#1953442
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Got some welding done this morning. With all the metal being forced into the "valley" when forming the patch, the outer flange had a tendency to bulge outwards. Used the shrinking tip on the dent puller to help take care of that, as well as better form the radius.
...comparing to opposite fender.....
Inner grille opening......
Welding outside seam
Welds dressed.....
That gets it real close, and fresh metal to last a few more years. Now only 3 more spots to go on this fender.....
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07-31-10 11:11 AM - Post#1953457
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Looking good Robert...as always.
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07-31-10 06:44 PM - Post#1953642
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Thanks Jay. Worked on it most of the day trying to get a grunch of the fender work knocked out. One last bit done for today, trying to get the new eyebrow ready to go on. Time to open it up......
The treasure map taken from the original....
....and after much fitting, trimming, and repeating.....
...And that will be all for a couple days....time to tend to mowing duties tomorrow...
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08-01-10 06:47 AM - Post#1953796
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Nice work Robert, really nice
I put on door skins on my car and I had to refold and straighted the bottom line, I unfolded the whole bottom line and used 2 heavy pieces of angle iron clamped to each side of the skin and made the new line, worked out well, a little time consuming but well worth it.
A lot of the work looks very familiar to me
keep up the good work, love all the pics
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08-01-10 11:33 AM - Post#1953906
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Great jobs, both of you guys.
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08-01-10 11:37 AM - Post#1953910
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Hey Pete, how about doing your own thread with a bunch more photos and detail on the door repair. I have a re-skin coming up and I'd love to see your whole process.
Robert, I love your posts. At one point I was feeling sorry for you, not having better fenders to work with. I'm begining to think you could build one from scratch if you had to.
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08-02-10 04:39 AM - Post#1954257
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Thanks for the comments guys..
Pete, nice work there......and thanks for the pictorial reminder....I need to put drain holes in the bottoms of the doors still.
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08-20-10 10:16 AM - Post#1963962
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Well I've been wanting to build something for the shop, and happened to stop by a local machine shop yesterday. He gave me a drop cut that had been sitting outside, which was all the prompting I needed. A stop at another machine shop who had a similar piece and that should be enough to complete the puzzle.
4 x 6 x 1/4 wall, and if my highly technical chalk calculations are correct, it should have about a 29" throat with 2" of steel left over.
The wheel and anvil kit should be here in a couple weeks, so this is all for now. Plus, I'd like to make some "official" AutoCAD drawings up to better test the measurements on paper...Cheaper cuts that way
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08-20-10 11:52 AM - Post#1964004
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Aligned as we went, dot welded, planished, ground down the weld, repeat.
Robert -- Please explain the planishing procedure.
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08-20-10 01:19 PM - Post#1964038
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I know you asked Robert to explain, but let me give it a try.
Planishing
Tapping on a panel surface, backed up with a dolly using a hammer or "slapper" to smooth out irregularities in the surface especially around welds. Generally, it's a bit of a sliding or glancing blow. Not really straight down pounding.
That would stretch the metal too much.
It can also be used to add shape to a pannel.
Check this video out.
At about 3:43 they demonstrate planishing.
metal working
Actually there's several shots of planishing through out this video.
Hope this helps.
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08-20-10 02:20 PM - Post#1964074
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That's a great video Jeff. Thanks for posting that.
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08-20-10 05:14 PM - Post#1964160
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Jeff, I have David Gardiner's DVD and I can say it is well worth the money. He does an excellent job of showing how to do something without fancy tools, so well worth the purchase price for anyone doing sheetmetal repairs. And thanks for taking up the slack for me...
Mike, I have a thread I had posted in the P&B forum a couple weeks ago that I think will help...
http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/245105/
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08-22-10 04:54 PM - Post#1965144
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Finishing up the Driver's fender....
And my nephew Chris came over today and started to re-assemble the front end for test fitment as I finished up the welds on the drivers fender.
Not too shabby. We do have some planishing to do on the patches of the drivers fender to fix some gap inconsistencies...... Until next time..
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08-22-10 05:57 PM - Post#1965186
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Looking whole and complete again.
Good work!
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08-23-10 06:59 AM - Post#1965460
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08-23-10 04:23 PM - Post#1965711
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Very nice, the gaps look great on the passenger side...
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