RaysnCayne
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 07-31-09 01:21 PM - Post#1745441
Hey all,
I just happened to be at my local Pick-Your-Part a few days ago just as they just tossed an 86 Monte in the yard. They got it up on stands today and I went back to see if it had a 200 4-R as I've been wanting one for quite awhile for my Biscayne.
Can I get an official thumbs up on whether or not it's a legit 200 4-R? The word "METRIC" on the pan threw me. Do they all have this? This isn't some junk version of a 200 4-R, right?
I plan on grabbing the TV cable, cable bracket and such, should I grab the yoke (driveshaft) too? Or will my current shaft fit (after shortening).
'68 Biscayne
406/TH350/3.42-12 bolt
13.17 at 104mph
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 grumpyvette
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07-31-09 01:47 PM - Post#1745456
In response to RaysnCayne
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/identify ing_gm_...
Here, from left to right are the pans for the TH700-R4, the TH200-4R, the TH400 and the TH350.
http://www.tciauto.com/Products/TechInfo/tra ns_dim...
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 DorianL
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07-31-09 02:15 PM - Post#1745469
In response to grumpyvette
The entire trans is metric. Once you install, you'll never go back.
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DavidTX
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08-01-09 11:22 AM - Post#1745895
In response to DorianL
Be sure and remove the lock-up torque converter also as it is expensive to purchase. There are plenty of lock-up coverter kits available on e-bay that you will need also.
Depending on which carb you have installed you might need a carb throttle bracket for the correct geometry with the TV bracket.
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A. G. Olphart
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08-01-09 01:14 PM - Post#1745943
In response to RaysnCayne
If you are already running a Quadrajet on your car, the throttle plate section from the Monte would make life simpler if it'll fit your carb (TV setup is critical).
If the tranny juice smells burned, a rebuild is in order.
Here's a good place for expertise: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/transmission-t alk...
Stock, these transmissions didn't like a lot of torque. CK Performance (posts on the above forum) makes a good shift kit and billet parts.
The variations in 2004Rs were primarily in valve bodies, governors and the band apply servo (bigger is better  )
Your 350 yoke should work.
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08-01-09 01:26 PM - Post#1745950
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I rebuilt my 200-4R using PTS parts. Bruce posts on Turbo Buick as well. I have had experiences with both PTS and CK. Hands down PTS... CK performance disappointed me quite a bit. But that's just me.
If you are putting this behind a mild block, I would increase the pressure and put in Bruce's shift kit. If you are going to dig a bit deeper, a wide band and a GN servo is a good idea.
Oh and both my oil pans have "METRIC" on them. Well, now I have a deep pan from PTS 
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A. G. Olphart
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08-01-09 01:43 PM - Post#1745956
In response to DorianL
Different strokes, and all that. My experiences with CK and PTS were the exact opposite. 
As you know, digging into a 200 4-R isn't as easy as a 350 or 400 (Congratulations on your build, by the way). IMHO it's generally a job best left to a true expert, not just any local transmission shop (several good builders post on the board above).
X2 on the wide Alto band.
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DorianL
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08-01-09 01:50 PM - Post#1745957
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Different strokes, and all that. My experiences with CK and PTS were the exact opposite.
LOLOLOL, figures...
Well, I had the trans in and out 7 times. But honestly... all were mistakes I could have avoided. And x2, I'd steer very clear from a regular trans builder.
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RaysnCayne
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08-02-09 08:56 PM - Post#1746805
In response to DorianL
Lucky me: One of the friends I called to see if they'd help me yank it ended up having one in his shed that he said I could just have. 
So I decided to pass on the junk yard one. Though I may go over there and pirate all those brackets and other incidentals.
I think I'm making a real-world 300 hp/400 ft. lbs (maybe a bit more) with my current engine. But I'm planning on a v2.0 of my 400 which I hope will make closer to 350 hp/450-475 ft lbs. So I'll be putting a lot of torque to her. (Not to mention the 4050 lb girth of my Cayne.)
So yes, I'm definitely planning on a full performance rebuild with any 200 4-R I get. Thanks for the parts info I've bookmarked it and will definitely check it out when I get some pennies saved up for the build.
'68 Biscayne
406/TH350/3.42-12 bolt
13.17 at 104mph
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DorianL
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08-02-09 11:55 PM - Post#1746862
In response to RaysnCayne
If I were you, I would pick up the other one as well for parts. When you set the clutch pack clearances having a spare steels will help you get them exactly right. You will NEED precise clearances for a perfomance rebuild.
"maybe a bit more"?????  Yea, sure!
Definitely raise pressure, shift kit + band and servo.
Even before the band, I'd consider a hardened stator support. On later 200-4Rs these were stock... If not, they are cheap (but need to be pressed in perfectly straight). The non-hardened ones tend to get munched.
I've got over 520 ft/lbs on mine.
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 Lynn63
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08-03-09 08:56 PM - Post#1747499
In response to RaysnCayne
That is a 200-4R. I just installed one in my 63 Super Sport and I love it. I also installed a Lokar shifter in the original console. I am still trying to get the lock-up converter to lock and unlock properly but at least it works manually. I drove the car on a 400 mile round trip and got 20 mpg with it which I thought was great since it has 4.11 gears.
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