Gain extra benefits by becoming a Supporting Member Click here find out how!
Silver
Gold ***Platinum***
50chev1067 (2)Don H (5)Runningon6zonk2ajoda (6)
ShoeboxTOMD45 buscobill
1963SBHD (4)Dean50 (8)Backyardbuild jumbojim (3)
InkaholicMike (3)
Classic Performance Products
Ciadella Interiors American Auto Wire Art Morrison.com
Exile® Battery Keeper™ 6/12 volt charger w/ LED battery monitor
Hellwig Products IncPerformance Rod & Custom
Impala Bob's Bob's Chevy Trucks Bob's Chevelle Parts Bob's Classic Chevy

  >> Switch to Mobile Version <<

Recent Hot Topics
Current Quote
""There is just to much knowledge here to not be here"."
~ Supporting Member
Recent Topics
Join the Community today
**
New ** Easy eBay Search Tool







Username Post: Is this a legit TH200 4-R?        (Topic#222719)
RaysnCayne 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 1029
RaysnCayne
Age: 39
Loc: Richmond, VA
Reg: 07-29-03
07-31-09 01:21 PM - Post#1745441    

Hey all,

I just happened to be at my local Pick-Your-Part a few days ago just as they just tossed an 86 Monte in the yard. They got it up on stands today and I went back to see if it had a 200 4-R as I've been wanting one for quite awhile for my Biscayne.

Can I get an official thumbs up on whether or not it's a legit 200 4-R? The word "METRIC" on the pan threw me. Do they all have this? This isn't some junk version of a 200 4-R, right?




I plan on grabbing the TV cable, cable bracket and such, should I grab the yoke (driveshaft) too? Or will my current shaft fit (after shortening).

'68 Biscayne
406/TH350/3.42-12 bolt
13.17 at 104mph
The Cayne


 
grumpyvette 
Senior Chevytalk Moderator -- Performance Subject Matter Expert --
Posts: 16115
grumpyvette
Age: 66
Loc: FLORIDA USA
Reg: 03-16-01
07-31-09 01:47 PM - Post#1745456    
    In response to RaysnCayne

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/identify ing_gm_...



Here, from left to right are the pans for the TH700-R4, the TH200-4R, the TH400 and the TH350.

http://www.tciauto.com/Products/TechInfo/tra ns_dim...
" " IF YOU CAN'T SMOKE THE TIRES FROM A 60 MPH ROLLING START YOUR ENGINE NEEDS MORE WORK !"


Edited by grumpyvette on 07-31-09 01:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DorianL 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 5539
DorianL
Loc: Willebroek, Belgium. 11 s...
Reg: 04-12-01
07-31-09 02:15 PM - Post#1745469    
    In response to grumpyvette

The entire trans is metric. Once you install, you'll never go back.

 
DavidTX 
"5th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 1088
DavidTX
Loc: Killeen, TX
Reg: 08-11-03
08-01-09 11:22 AM - Post#1745895    
    In response to DorianL

Be sure and remove the lock-up torque converter also as it is expensive to purchase. There are plenty of lock-up coverter kits available on e-bay that you will need also.
Depending on which carb you have installed you might need a carb throttle bracket for the correct geometry with the TV bracket.


 
A. G. Olphart 
Member
Posts: 23

Loc: Chico Ca.
Reg: 04-26-05
08-01-09 01:14 PM - Post#1745943    
    In response to RaysnCayne

If you are already running a Quadrajet on your car, the throttle plate section from the Monte would make life simpler if it'll fit your carb (TV setup is critical).

If the tranny juice smells burned, a rebuild is in order.
Here's a good place for expertise: http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/transmission-t alk...
Stock, these transmissions didn't like a lot of torque. CK Performance (posts on the above forum) makes a good shift kit and billet parts.

The variations in 2004Rs were primarily in valve bodies, governors and the band apply servo (bigger is better )

Your 350 yoke should work.




_______________
___________

A. G.


 
DorianL 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 5539
DorianL
Loc: Willebroek, Belgium. 11 s...
Reg: 04-12-01
08-01-09 01:26 PM - Post#1745950    
    In response to A. G. Olphart

I rebuilt my 200-4R using PTS parts. Bruce posts on Turbo Buick as well. I have had experiences with both PTS and CK. Hands down PTS... CK performance disappointed me quite a bit. But that's just me.

If you are putting this behind a mild block, I would increase the pressure and put in Bruce's shift kit. If you are going to dig a bit deeper, a wide band and a GN servo is a good idea.

Oh and both my oil pans have "METRIC" on them. Well, now I have a deep pan from PTS

Edited by DorianL on 08-01-09 01:28 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
A. G. Olphart 
Member
Posts: 23

Loc: Chico Ca.
Reg: 04-26-05
08-01-09 01:43 PM - Post#1745956    
    In response to DorianL

Different strokes, and all that. My experiences with CK and PTS were the exact opposite.

As you know, digging into a 200 4-R isn't as easy as a 350 or 400 (Congratulations on your build, by the way). IMHO it's generally a job best left to a true expert, not just any local transmission shop (several good builders post on the board above).

X2 on the wide Alto band.
_______________
___________

A. G.


 
DorianL 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 5539
DorianL
Loc: Willebroek, Belgium. 11 s...
Reg: 04-12-01
08-01-09 01:50 PM - Post#1745957    
    In response to A. G. Olphart

  • A. G. Olphart Said:
Different strokes, and all that. My experiences with CK and PTS were the exact opposite.




LOLOLOL, figures...

Well, I had the trans in and out 7 times. But honestly... all were mistakes I could have avoided. And x2, I'd steer very clear from a regular trans builder.




Edited by DorianL on 08-01-09 01:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
RaysnCayne 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 1029
RaysnCayne
Age: 39
Loc: Richmond, VA
Reg: 07-29-03
08-02-09 08:56 PM - Post#1746805    
    In response to DorianL

Lucky me: One of the friends I called to see if they'd help me yank it ended up having one in his shed that he said I could just have.

So I decided to pass on the junk yard one. Though I may go over there and pirate all those brackets and other incidentals.

I think I'm making a real-world 300 hp/400 ft. lbs (maybe a bit more) with my current engine. But I'm planning on a v2.0 of my 400 which I hope will make closer to 350 hp/450-475 ft lbs. So I'll be putting a lot of torque to her. (Not to mention the 4050 lb girth of my Cayne.)

So yes, I'm definitely planning on a full performance rebuild with any 200 4-R I get. Thanks for the parts info I've bookmarked it and will definitely check it out when I get some pennies saved up for the build.
'68 Biscayne
406/TH350/3.42-12 bolt
13.17 at 104mph
The Cayne


 
DorianL 
Dedicated Enthusiast
Posts: 5539
DorianL
Loc: Willebroek, Belgium. 11 s...
Reg: 04-12-01
08-02-09 11:55 PM - Post#1746862    
    In response to RaysnCayne

If I were you, I would pick up the other one as well for parts. When you set the clutch pack clearances having a spare steels will help you get them exactly right. You will NEED precise clearances for a perfomance rebuild.

"maybe a bit more"????? Yea, sure!

Definitely raise pressure, shift kit + band and servo.

Even before the band, I'd consider a hardened stator support. On later 200-4Rs these were stock... If not, they are cheap (but need to be pressed in perfectly straight). The non-hardened ones tend to get munched.

I've got over 520 ft/lbs on mine.


 
Lynn63 
"5th Year" Gold Supporting Member
Posts: 576
Lynn63
Age: 73
Loc: Vicksburg, MI
Reg: 02-07-09
08-03-09 08:56 PM - Post#1747499    
    In response to RaysnCayne

That is a 200-4R. I just installed one in my 63 Super Sport and I love it. I also installed a Lokar shifter in the original console. I am still trying to get the lock-up converter to lock and unlock properly but at least it works manually. I drove the car on a 400 mile round trip and got 20 mpg with it which I thought was great since it has 4.11 gears.

Lynn63
Lynn63
63 Impala SS
07 Silverado DMax Classic
99 Venture van


Progress so far...


 
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

2468 Views
FusionBB
FusionBB™ Version 2.1
©2003-2006 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 1.112 seconds.   Total Queries: 24   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0800) Pacific. Current time is 04:07 AM
Top