tonufun
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07-17-09 01:07 PM - Post#1736686
Anyone ever heard of / seen a one ton Chevy van with a transfer case with dual front output shafts and dual pumpkins on the front axle? I just looked at a van for sale and have never seen this. Can't find anyone else that has seen this. - imagining it would be mighty hard to find parts since I have never heard of it. Anyone know what the name of this case would be?
The body is shot and it won't start - hasn't been run in over 10 yrs, just trying to decide if it is worth picking up?
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07-17-09 05:09 PM - Post#1736853
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I saw one in a magazine years back, I don't recall if it was in Four Wheeler or 4-Wheel and Offroad. Or if it even was factory. 
gchemist or Ollie will probably know.
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07-17-09 06:05 PM - Post#1736883
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Hi Ton,
Thank you John for the lead in....
The 4x4 conversion on a 1977 van was completed by a conversion company such as Quigley. Now I did not say that Quigley did the one you looked at - but they were the "more popular" of the companies that converted these nice vans to 4x4 abilities.
Seems the utility companies and mine exploring companies were their best customers.
Now, let me see if I understand you correctly??
There are TWO differentials on the front axle???
HUH?! 
Never have seen that application and I can't understand what they were trying to do with it - if it does have two pumpkins...... 
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07-17-09 07:04 PM - Post#1736922
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I sure wish you'd gotten pictures of that van!
I'd like to see the front-end myself.And underneath where they put it all together!
Guy up the road about 20 miles has one.But it's a normal one like Ollie spoke of.
Plus I'm a big fan of all odd,strange,different custom mechanical designs.
Mike. 
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07-17-09 07:38 PM - Post#1736948
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YES, you understand correctly. I didn't believe it when he explained it to me so I had to go see it for myself. One drive shaft off each side of the transfer case going to each side of the front axle. Not a standard straight axle, more like IFS. Think I am going to have to buy it just because it is SO different. If he could have got it started to verify the front works I would have bought it. I was hesitant not seeing it run and work. It must be full time because I could not find a shifter inside. There were no tags on the vehicle or trans case to identify a maker. If I get it I will post pictures. The body is shot so the only thing to do with it is find some other type of body to modify to fit it.
The diffs are small and only have a shaft about 6 inches long that go to the wheels. The shafts only go outward. No lockouts.
Edited by tonufun on 07-17-09 07:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-17-09 07:55 PM - Post#1736955
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If it is full-time,I bet it's H##l on front tires!
Please---pictures! 
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07-18-09 07:55 AM - Post#1737219
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Welcome to the site.
Yea, you got me stumpped on that one. I would like to see pictures too.
Does it look like this axel?
Article: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http:// i41....
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07-18-09 11:30 PM - Post#1737663
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Hi Ton,
Thank you John for the lead in....
The 4x4 conversion on a 1977 van was completed by a conversion company such as Quigley. Now I did not say that Quigley did the one you looked at - but they were the "more popular" of the companies that converted these nice vans to 4x4 abilities.
Seems the utility companies and mine exploring companies were their best customers.
Now, let me see if I understand you correctly??
There are TWO differentials on the front axle???
HUH?!
Never have seen that application and I can't understand what they were trying to do with it - if it does have two pumpkins......
Ollie, that's it, I'd just forgotten the details. It was a Quigley conversion that was reviewed in the magazine review I read.
Figured you'd know. 
Best I recall, it was a well done conversion.
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07-19-09 12:39 PM - Post#1737921
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I have heard of Quigley, but thought they used a solid front axle. I took some buddies and went to look @ it again today, &, against my better judgment, bought it anyway! I know I made some people mad driving 35 in the 55 45 miles home. This thing is heavy! Here are some pics I got before I found the yellow jacket nest - or should I say it found me. Will get better pics of the transfer case after they clear out.
OK - maybe not - can someone tell me how to post pics here.
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07-19-09 04:46 PM - Post#1738098
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Do you have the pictures hosted on a website? Post the url or use the "picture" URL feature. It will appear when you hit the reply button. If you use the quick reply (box at the bottom of the topic) the option won't appear. Supporting members can attach small pictures.
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07-19-09 05:39 PM - Post#1738154
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Sorry. I'm not the most computer literate and your speaking French about the "pictures hosted to a website." If anyone really wants to see pictures you can let me know and I'll email them. It basically is a coil sprung front axle. I have five pictures of the front. One of each side from the front, one of the whole front from farther back and one from the back looking forward at the front. Also one that didn't turn out so good of the transfer case. Will take another one of the extra case when I get it out of the bed of my truck.
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07-19-09 06:23 PM - Post#1738193
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Upload your pictures to www.webshots.com. The site will host them free of charge. I have tons of pictures hosted.
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07-19-09 06:24 PM - Post#1738194
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Pathfinder was another 4X4 van conversion co. out of CA. that was very popular in the 70's. (I had a 79 1 ton). The army had bought quite a few(unibody construction with no real frame was their downfall). Van conversion co.'s use Chevy pickup parts for most of the stuff except for the special stuff like mounting brackets, some steering linkage etc. They also must have them crash tested for a D.O.T. cert. A 77 done by one of these companies would have to have 77 GM parts.
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07-19-09 07:39 PM - Post#1738265
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I put the pics in Webshots under 2009-07-19 19:22. I have never done this so I think that is how to look it up. Someone let me know if that isn't right.
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07-19-09 08:00 PM - Post#1738278
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What is your user name on webshots?
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07-19-09 08:35 PM - Post#1738293
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Sorry - same as here - tonufun
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07-19-09 09:07 PM - Post#1738308
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Here ya go:
Interesting conversion. Seems the dual pumkins were used for gear reduction.
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07-20-09 06:44 PM - Post#1738908
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way kool.
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07-21-09 06:19 PM - Post#1739502
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Well, I will be damned.... I have never seen a setup like that...... I would love to talk with the developmentg group to get an idea of "what they were thinking"??????? 
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07-22-09 06:09 AM - Post#1739755
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Looks to me that the did this to avoid making a solid axle fit under the "front axle" (the piece directly below the engine), and this way it looks like they've maintained IFS.
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07-22-09 12:19 PM - Post#1739946
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It sat for about 11 yrs, but had the motor rebuilt shortly before being parked. I have to make some room in the barn before I try to get the motor started. The drag link was bent when I went back to pick it up, now the front tires point at each other. I think they must have used it as a tow point to drag it out of it's holes before I got there.
Will post notes if I ever get somewhere.
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07-22-09 04:56 PM - Post#1740096
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When you get more pictures,could you post a link to your photo site?
Then we can view them as you progress.
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07-24-09 08:21 AM - Post#1740999
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Yea thats really wierd never seen anything like it. Be pretty cool to have if i ran and everything worked.
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01-11-11 02:00 PM - Post#2030447
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Hello Tonufun, Ihave bought a Van with that kind of 4x4 transmission!
Do you get some more information about the construction?
I mean i will also do some maintance and where can I get spare parts
Also its interessting how it works at your Van. I could not test it by myself cause the Van isnt ready to drive on the road (I live in the Netherlands EU).
I hope you can give me some information aboutit.
The first part I need is a pitman arm for the stearing axis,
its also a different model comapre to the standard models.
Greatings Marc
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01-11-11 03:31 PM - Post#2030528
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It would probably be a pitman arm for a 1 ton 4wd truck - chevy didn't get "original" for any parts if they didn't have to, and the same thing goes for those van conversions.
You can try getting in touch with p-s-t.com, if that van conversion part isn't too rare. They MAY carry it.
If it turns out that it is something special that you can't get anywhere else - try a place called rareparts.com. They deal with hard to find or one of a kind suspension parts ONLY - they don't deal with anything that can easily be found in the aftermarket. If you want a part for a 54 Studebaker, for example - they would be the ones to talk to.
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01-12-11 01:09 AM - Post#2030771
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OK Vaughn, First I have to get the partnumber of the pitman arm.
Then find the company who make the conversion for the Van.
Do you know the company who made such conversions??
Thx Marc
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01-12-11 09:08 PM - Post#2031192
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http://www.quigley4x4.com/Products/WhyBuyaQuigl ey....
http://www.pathfinder-vans.com/
and this site has a link to tie rod info:
http://www.pathfinder-vans.com/html/tie_rod_i_d_.h...
http://www.thundersgarage.com/4x4vc.html
These links should help you (or at least give you a start) find out what type of 4wd conversion van you have, and where you can get parts for it.
Someone at these sites should be able to give you an idea on how to tell the different company vans apart. I suggest emailing your questions to them.
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01-12-11 11:43 PM - Post#2031235
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Thank you very much for the info, I have already emailed quigley company. The Pathfinder construction its a diffirant one. I guess its quigley who made the conversion.
I wil keep on searching! Maybe tonufun can help me more but he didnt leave his emailadres, so when you read this please answer me on ms57@hetnet.nl
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01-14-11 06:08 AM - Post#2031772
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I used to own one of these vans and kick myself for selling it. it had independent front difs so chevy retained the standard A arms, could not lift it, only body lift, this way it kept the low ride hight , the one I was able to get was set to be an amblulance but was not taken as it did not come with the long body. the company was (vemco) or somthing like that I can't find them . Was told that this was a chevy prototype I was also told that the transfer case was the weak link they would fail around 20,000 to 30,000 miles but if you got over that they would go forever. mine was well over 175,000 never wore tires and would go anywhere I pointed it.good luck on the van
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01-17-11 08:52 AM - Post#2033143
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Ok Royalstar, I think I had the same A-arm construction.
Icould send some pictures than we can check of we talk about the same system, or can I post it here??
Vemco in Australia?! I have mail them about spareparts and maitenance
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