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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
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07-11-09 09:58 PM - Post#1733228    
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hi excellent work ron

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07-12-09 04:19 AM - Post#1733283    
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Probably just a worry-butt here,but but buddy..don't 'cha think some extra metal (plates) over the old frame and new metal would help share the load of the new full roll cage

Choice, 2 Loose, really great project!! Best of Luck to You!! Keep up the great work!!

stanby

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07-12-09 07:58 PM - Post#1733873    
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Hi Stan,

Well, that's a legitimate comment, and we definitely considered it. The 2" x4" x 1/8" box steel we are using is considerably stronger than the original frame is. We inserted the new steel into the old frame rails as far as we could and aligned the inside and top edges of the new steel with the inside and top edges of the old frame, (outside against inside) and we inserted it as far into the old frame as we could, about 4". We drilled 5 half inch holes in the old frame on the inside and plug welded it to the new steel, then ground it down smooth so it is not noticeable. We notched and formed the outside edges of the old frame to match up with the outside and bottom of the new steel. The mig welds were done with smaller, hot passes, three of them, to build up a nice fillet between the old and the new steel. The front struts on the roll cage will catch the new frame rails above the front spring mounts. The rear spring mounts are welded into the original frame rails, with added gusset plates up the inside of the old frame rails. It will be plenty strong, not worried about it. This is about the 20th truck, car, or hot rod frame I've modified in various ways over the past 50 years. Mostly adding on newer independent suspension frame clips to older trucks. I prefer the GM A-body front frame clip for those mods. Never had a problem yet, they always come out solid, no flex, and last forever.

But there is no problem with adding the plates if you want to be absolutely sure, or if the old frame metal or the welding is at all questionable, better safe than sorry and it is added insurance.

I've made my living over the past 40 years as an Ag Engineer designing and building modified/custom farm equipment for the Hawaii sugar cane and pineapple industries, none of my designs have ever failed or caused any problems. so I have confidence in this setup.

Tnanks for the comment.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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07-13-09 01:43 PM - Post#1734300    
    In response to 2Loose

Them details that are not obvious like smoothed out plug welds, internal gussets, welding technique & such are what really makes a difference in job quality. Very well done. Much can be learned here.
Doug



 
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07-14-09 10:17 AM - Post#1734879    
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When I cut off the tranny mount horns, I saw where there is a fairly substantial support inside the frame rails for those tranny horns, riveted in place with heavy duty rivets. I have managed to catch that support from the outside with the gusset plates I welded on for the rear leaf spring shackle supports for the front axle.

Now looking at only running three leafs, have it all set up and sitting on the springs, the bounce action is nice and smooth, and adding QA-1's with light coils to fine tune the suspension. Ordered the 17" long QA-1's (12" to 17"), and will mount at 14" running position, giving me 3"" up bounce and 2" down bounce at the axle. From the running position, the current springs only drop 2" to full drape when I pickup the front frame rails with the jack. Will put in bumpers for the top bounce to hit before the shocks bottom out.

5" of travel should be plenty for the front axle.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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07-14-09 11:27 AM - Post#1734908    
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Another question, I want to run front and rear sway bars, as the car will sit about 16" high at the frame rails, and I want to control body roll.

Anybody have any ideas how heavy a sway bar I should run?

Was thinking 3/4" to 1" in back, heavier in front, maybe 1-1/2"

Looking at junk yard pieces, what can be adapted, as that is the motif for this build, as much recycled parts as I can!

Aloha,
Willy



 
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07-14-09 12:59 PM - Post#1734957    
    In response to 2Loose

Maybe some SUVs or Camaros/Firebirds?
I got the ones off an 84 T/A that are pretty hefty.
Not to put on the 55 though.
I'm thinking the parallel springs up front may control some of the body roll by themselves.
Put it together and try it. You can add sway bars later if you want to.

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07-14-09 03:16 PM - Post#1735037    
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Yes Jeff, the springs might, don't know, the back is still sitting on jack stands, but the front is sitting on the tires and springs, I put teflon pads under the #2 and #3 spring ends, it had the button spaces already in the spring ends for that, and the spring articulation is excellent, but can't try rocking it side-to-side yet, when I get the ladders set up in the rear and the shocks on it, will check it out first and see how it is.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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07-14-09 03:47 PM - Post#1735056    
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I took the front sway bar & end links & frame mounts off a '85 Bronco & put it all under my '55 front. Heated & pulled it in just a couple inches to narrow it so's the ends would attach to mounts I made just inboard of the ball joints. Its around 1&1/8" diam. if I remember right. Really helped a lot, I'm happy with it.
My experience building single axle trailers with parallel leafs is they want to roll terrible when you climb in to load or unload them. Really I think any kind will unless the suspension is binding if there's no sway bar.
Doug



 
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07-25-09 06:25 PM - Post#1741862    
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My 55 gasser is keeping the orig seats front and rear, although I have to fit the rear around the minitub job.

Lotsa rust, but the metal in the seat springs still looks solid and good to go if I can eliminate the rust, anybody tried to sand blast these spring sets? If not, how do you get the rust out of them?

If sand blasting is a no-go, how about por15? I'd think it would just glue the moving points together into a big mess???

I found a kingpin rebuild set online and am heading to my buddy's shop in OR on Tue to press in the new bushings and ream to fit the new kingpins. I love it!

Also, I yakked with Craig Morrison at the GG Puyallup yesterday and he said he could provide me with sway bars for my gasser project! Yeah AME!!!

Aloha,
Willy





 
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07-26-09 07:35 AM - Post#1742101    
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I found a kingpin rebuild set online and am heading to my buddy's shop in OR on Tue to press in the new bushings and ream to fit the new kingpins. I love it!
Aloha,
Willy

Your Flying to OR to fit a pair of kingpins!! Your Kidding!! Outragous man!! I think this is the time of year to see some migrating whales there if you get the time. One of my in-laws is yachting up the east coast from the USVI to Maine and hopes to see whales too. Thanks

Stan



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07-26-09 07:53 AM - Post#1742110    
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Nawww, Stan,
I'm in Washington visiting my son and daugter and their families, also took in the NHRA races a week ago, and the Goodguys show this weekend. Driving down to Eugene this week to visit my other son and his family, so Corvallis is right along the way! Brought the '59 f100 spindles with me and had the kingpin kit delivered to my buddy so I could stop by enroute to fit everything together! It all worked out pretty nice!
And he is a dealer for QA1 so got me the coilovers for all four corners at his cost, I'm a lucky guy!

The whales hit Hawaii in the winter. They come out to calve and get the babies sized up enough to make the spring trip back up to Alaska. They are in Hawaii about Nov to March, we always go out "whale watching" when they are "in town"....
Aloha,
Willy



 
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08-01-09 03:19 PM - Post#1746030    
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Will,
This is up in Oregon somewhere.


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08-13-09 07:31 PM - Post#1753517    
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Got back from a month vacation in the Pacific NW and got back to work on the Gasser....

New front spindle bushings, reamed to fit, new kingpins, had to ream the axle knuckle too as the kingpins were 0.010" oversize. It all came together quite nicely:

More pix here
Aloha,
Willy



 
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08-20-09 09:25 AM - Post#1757441    
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Got the steering box I want to use cleaned up and clamped in place, then I mocked up a drag link and steering arm for a cross-steer setup, and got the measurements I needed. Now I need to fab a steering arm, mount the steering box, buy a drag link (Speedway Motors offers nice custom length tie rods and drag links cheaper than I can fab them) and put it all together:

More pix here
Aloha,
Willy



 
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08-28-09 08:33 AM - Post#1761977    
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Got the QA-1's mounted....

More pix here....
Aloha,Willy



 
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08-28-09 10:20 AM - Post#1762035    
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Hey! Lookin' good Willy.
Been wonderin' on your progress.

Jeff
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08-28-09 08:42 PM - Post#1762385    
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Hey Willy,
Nice job on documenting the build. I liked the fact that you're keeping the evidence in some of the shots too. (6 pack...ha ha)

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08-29-09 04:00 AM - Post#1762448    
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Man, this is great!

Thanks Willie!!!

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08-29-09 09:04 AM - Post#1762551    
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Nice....

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08-30-09 03:59 PM - Post#1763350    
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Bitchin fab work Willy! You sure know how to draw a pretty bead - MIG or TIG?

Many thanks from all of us for the pics and updates - man, that is COOL!

As the build continues...Good Luck and Best Wishes,Tim

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08-31-09 11:15 AM - Post#1763845    
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It's all mig Tim. I have a tig, but haven't got it nailed down yet, need more practice....

I did have to move the motor to my buddy's shop, as several of us are going to start putting the blower motor together, so I modified my "cherry picker" to be able to move motors around on rough ground as will as on the road:

Link to more pix
That beat up, ten year old Subaru is my parts chaser, the back seats are pretty much permanently laid down and the back is always full of old parts as well as new parts, and a lot of tools, as I am constantly working in two different shops a couple miles apart....
And I have two old beat up military jeep trailers that are great for hauling greasy, dirty rusty parts home whenever I find them....
Aloha,
Willy



 
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08-31-09 12:09 PM - Post#1763872    
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Necessity is the mother of invention...

I love that contraption you've built Willy!

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08-31-09 12:44 PM - Post#1763892    
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What in the world have you got there, Willy?
An engine stand on a cherry picker with trailer wheels attached?
You been talkin' to this guy?




Jes messin' wit cha.

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08-31-09 02:43 PM - Post#1763955    
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Now, the Olds 425 and all the parts to put the blower motor together are now up at the 'OD Racers' "clubhouse", which is where the 4dr is, so no more excuses for not putting it together and in the gasser!

Of course I need to watch the beer consumption, as I do want this to go together so it will STAY together, and with this bunch, well......

More later,
Aloha,
Willy

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09-02-09 09:24 AM - Post#1765024    
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Got the front suspension and steering pretty well worked out and together. Am happy with how that all came out. Weighed the front end, only 1,000 lbs at this point. Added another 300 lbs and got the leafs dead flat where I want them. Once the motor etc is in and I get a final front end weight, I can order the coils for the QA-1's, minus 650 lbs each side.

Stuck a tilt steering column I had laying around in to look at the linkage to the steer box, but not happy with it, have another one I will try tomorrow.

So now I started thinking about how I want to do the tilt front end. Started a new page here. Only one pic so far, will add more as the idea starts to come together.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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09-02-09 10:53 AM - Post#1765068    
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thanks for keeping us updated with your build Willy.

that is turning out really cool

i can't wait to see the video of you pulling the front wheels off of the ground

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09-05-09 11:09 AM - Post#1766887    
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Got the front suspension and steering pretty well sorted out. Still need to install the steering column and linkage to the steering box.

Updated steering/suspension page here
Tilt front end page started here
Gasser home page here
Going to start mocking up the motor and tranny this weekend and setting it in the frame for mounts.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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09-05-09 01:16 PM - Post#1766943    
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I can almost hear that big ol Olds rumblin' now.


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09-08-09 11:07 AM - Post#1768255    
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Starting to assemble the blower motor. I've been collecting these parts for quite a few years now, as money was available only infrequently, and I've been dreaming about this project for a long time.

Had to move all the parts for the motor assembly from my shop up to the "OD Racing and Beer Drinking Center" this weekend, as my buddies are involved in this project and my shop is pretty small, basically a one man shop! It took four trips, lucky it was the long "Labor Day" weekend:

LinkTo More Pix
Aloha,
Willy



 

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