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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
raycow 
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03-27-14 02:59 PM - Post#2439514    
    In response to 2Loose

A truck automatic? How much does one of those monsters weigh?

Ray

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03-31-14 10:04 AM - Post#2440703    
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Well, here's my choices, I have a cherry Muncie M21 I can use, but think it is the course spline on the input side, so would have to change out the clutch plates! McLeod dual disk, not cheap! And a longer driveshaft, also not cheap!

And I would probably rip it up even faster than I'm trashing my DN !!

Also have a TH400 that was built up for a Buick 455 race car, could find a flex plate for the blown Olds and bolt that up, but again probably a different length driveshaft.

On Maui a Lenco would be an exotic piece, and probably even fun to drive once I got used to it, but would miss the downshifting capabilities, even the Turbo 400 downshifts pretty nicely if you blip the throttle just right on downshifting!!

Am traveling in OR and WA at the moment, visiting family, so have time to ponder these deep, deep thoughts.....

Aloha,
Willy



 
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04-01-14 10:40 AM - Post#2441002    
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I got lucky (I hope) over at the evil page and found the needed input shaft for my DN/RG street 5 speed. I have all the other parts I need for the rebuild.

And, amazingly, the vendor for this part is Jeg's....
LINK to the for sale page....
They won't ship to Hawaii for some reason, and freight is free in the lower 48, so having it shipped to my son in Oregon, he'll UPS it to me.

This doesn't really solve my problem for me in the long term, but at least I can get it back on the road and enjoy it a little while looking at better alternatives. Just gotta keep that lead foot outta the secondaries and the boost gage !!!
Willy



 
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04-01-14 05:00 PM - Post#2441101    
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Just gotta keep that lead foot outta the secondaries and the boost gage !!! /quote]

Good luck with that Willy. Something tells me you have a heavy right foot.

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04-02-14 10:26 AM - Post#2441311    
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Just for fun, dug up some info on the TKO trannies:



i'm guessing the 500 ft-lb rating on the 4616 box is due to the 3.27 low gear. I need to check that the box is essentially the same as the other two trannies inside, except for that low ratio in first.

Anybody know for sure?
Aloha,
Willy



 
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05-05-14 11:30 AM - Post#2450277    
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Decided to go ahead with the Doug Nash rebuild, just don't have the cash to go buy a new TKO600. Will have to lighten up my lead foot a bit....

Found parts I needed on ebay, shown here next to the old parts:





The wear pattern from the dual disk clutch plates is very visible on the old input shaft:



Got everything cleaned up, together, and with new bearings from the local bearing house where needed:



Now to stuff it back in the case, and back in the car for some road testing, gently, gently !!!
Aloha,
Willy

LINK to tranny rebuild page 2....



 
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06-06-14 12:46 PM - Post#2459112    
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Haven't posted for awhile, was all set to put the DN 5 sp back in after rebuilding it, when I noticed the 'snout' in front where the clutch release brg slides, was badly cracked! It took 'till yesterday to get a replacement 'front bearing retainer' from Richmond Gear (8 weeks !). Now I have to try to figure out what caused that to break!

There are wear marks that indicate possibly the clutch release fork was pushing sideways on the tube the clutch bearing rides on. I may have to make an adjustment to that release fork to try to even things out a bit.

I am traveling now for a couple of weeks, when I get back to it, will post some pics on what I find.

I've got both my trucks running again, the 55 4 x 4, and the 58 Pro St., but I miss my Gasser !!
Aloha,
Willy



 
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06-06-14 04:15 PM - Post#2459154    
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Willy, I have found cracked snouts to very often be an indicator that there is a trans/engine misalignment. Might be worth checking, anyway.
Doug



 
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06-07-14 05:13 PM - Post#2459398    
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Thanks, Doug,
I spent a lot of time with a dial indicator zeroing in the blow bell and thought I had it just right. The clutch fork and ball was another challenge though, and I thought I had it zerod in also, but I see wear marks on the driver side of the "snout" that indicate to me that the fork might be putting undue pressure on that side of the "snout" every time I hit the clutch.

Will spend some time with the clutch fork grinding any needed relief back in the "throat" of the fork where the bearing could be hitting and causing pressure to be transferred to the "snout".

Will be a couple of weeks before I can get to that, am traveling right now, but will post some pix when I do it.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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06-30-14 08:38 AM - Post#2465580    
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Considered trying to weld it back together, but Richmond Gear said they could supply the part. It took them many months to finally ship me the part, and on Saturday I finished it and put it back in the car.

I did notice that the side of that "snout" facing the clutch fork was worn, shiney. Checked the clutch fork and I could see where the release bearing was hitting the "throat" of the clutch fork. Took some time and ground out the "throat" of the clutch fork until there was good clearance for the release bearing.

And with the old input shaft, the broken "snout", and the release bearing and fork, I was able to check out the movement of the bearing on that "snout", and the clearance of the bearing to the fork "throat", all is good now !

And this time I could use the old input shaft to line up the clutch disks, so the tranny slipped in nicely. The car is running great again, shifting is smooth, the Doug Nash is quieter then I ever remember it being, and NO MORE POWER SHIFTS !!!

Just gonna drive it and enjoy it !
Aloha,
Willy





 
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06-30-14 09:39 AM - Post#2465593    
    In response to 2Loose

ENJOY!



 
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06-30-14 02:58 PM - Post#2465663    
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Nice job Willy,
We need another dash-cam in-car video of you cruising along that country road so we can hear you going thru the gears.

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06-30-14 08:27 PM - Post#2465741    
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I promise to do that !
Or on one of my Harleys,
Currently working on 3 Panheads,
A 59, a 60, and a 62
Not running yet though....
The 62 is closest to running,
It's an 'Easyriders' chopper from about '68
And I built it back then...
Fun!

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07-01-14 03:30 AM - Post#2465772    
    In response to 2Loose

Willy ; Thanks for the pictures on this thread ; I've been following it for ages . That front bearing retainer would have a lot less lateral stress on it if you went with a hydraulic throwout . The hydraulic doesn't exert any side- or angular pressure on the collar at all . Just a thought ; OR , you could turn a new collar out of SPS rather than wait for Richmond Gear parts . Maybe the blown Olds is just too much for the DN trans ; makes that Lenco look like a good idea . Downshifting's overrated . Be safe...Bob.



 
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07-01-14 08:44 AM - Post#2465867    
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Willy, here is a link to the tremic 500/ 4616, good day.
http://fortesparts.ivypress.net/tremec-transmissio...

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07-01-14 09:11 AM - Post#2465874    
    In response to 2Loose

Nice work Willy.

Post some pics of the bikes...

Craig

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07-06-14 02:48 PM - Post#2467082    
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  • cnbell Said:
....Post some pics of the bikes...


It's a bit OT, so I'll give you links to my threads over on the Jockey Journal dot com....

My Dad and his brothers were always into bikes, Indians, HDs, Ariels, Triumphs, BSAs, always had a bike myself, but really started to get into it after I retired....

62 FL: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

62 FL reworking the heads, etc: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

59 FL 93ci: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

59 FL original project, Blown: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

How I came to own this '59: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

Maybe a new blown 88 ci bike: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

91 Sturgis rebuild: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

And my daily ride, a 2010 "Street Bob": http://home.roadrunner.com/~tooloose/2010FXDB-YS tr...

60 FL cruiser: http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?...

Finding parts and keeping progress moving along is a daily challenge, particularly when the gasser blows the Doug Nash on a regular basis, the '59 truck blew the TH400 and I had to work on that, and the '55 4x4 truck had some pretty bad steering problems I had to spend time on. All intrudes on my bike project time.

Also making progress on my '55 Sport Coupe, yesterday tore the T56 apart to modify the shifter shaft, which moves the shift lever forward about 9", enough to clear the bench seat. Will post pix on that thread when I get time....
http://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?ti...

There's a lot of stuff linked to my home page, but it needs work. Some of the publishing software I use for my webpages have given me some trouble, need to spend time on that also, but would much prefer to be out in the shop....
my 2Loose homepage...

Gotta run, Sundays here is the "HoneyDo" list day....
Aloha,
Willy



 
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07-07-14 08:32 AM - Post#2467262    
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Great stuff Willy, thanks for the links...

Craig

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08-15-14 09:59 AM - Post#2477055    
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Well, some med issues have me stopped from any progress on my shop projects, but "Patches" is running nicely, starts on this first hit of the key every time, even after sitting for a week, and still is mucho fun to drive!

As long as I don't get into boost in 1st and 2nd, keep that for 3rd and above, and don't go slammin' through the gears, the old DN tranny seems to be just fine !!

Sure gets a lot of attention everywhere I go, am thinking of putting some really old style surfboard racks on it and taking my boards to the beach, after I get past these next few months....

I did take a grinder to the clutch release bearing yoke, and provided additional clearance in the middle of the "throat", where it looked like there might have been some contact with the release bearing holder, and causing that bearing neck it slides on to break off, due to the release bearing putting pressure on it. Mine looks a lot like this one, but with a deeper throat...


And I'm getting some vibration from the driveline above 60, need to recheck the u-joint angles, it might just be a phase angle problem, which I can fix. But around here where I live, I never go over 45, so no problem. I'm just not crawling under any cars for awhile...
Aloha to all,
Willy

This is the town of Makawao, where I live, it's an old cattle ranching town, there's rodeo grounds here, our 4 day (July 4th) rodeo event features some of the top cowboys and gals in Hawaii, and many of them have gone on to mainland events and won trophies. We have quite a beef cattle and cowboy history in Hawaii, most folks don't know that part about us....

LINK to "Patches" home page



 
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02-03-15 10:04 AM - Post#2520190    
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Coming back from a super bowl party at a friend's house Sunday nite, there was a loud "clunk" occasionally from somewhere in the rear end of the car. Checked it out yesterday morning, and found the bolts at both ends of the panhard bar loose !

NOT GOOD !

The rest of the rear suspension components all good though, the coil overs, the ladder bars, all A-OK. So I treated the panhard bar bolts (thru heim joints) with red locktite, should have done that long ago, or put nylock nuts on there long ago....

A buddy recently told me he uses nylocks on all his suspension parts, says they never come loose. Or in the rare event they loosen up, they only loosen up so far and then don't go any further.

Just thought I'd mention it.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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02-03-15 11:02 AM - Post#2520215    
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Good idea, I use them anywhere I'm worried about the nuts backing off.

Craig

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02-05-15 11:41 AM - Post#2520834    
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[url=http://2loose.chevytalk.org/olds425four.html]




Willy,

Perhaps I missed it, but where did you get that water neck? I need something similar for my engine. I understand you had to modify it.





This last pic has a 1 inch spacer between the plenum and the lower manifold so the water neck is not touching the bottom of the throttle body.

Thank you,

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02-22-15 09:36 PM - Post#2525480    
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Brake problem onna gasser, need to upload the pix
will do so soon....
Drove it today, samo samo, blast innaazz...
Never get tired of it...
Willy



 
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02-22-15 09:48 PM - Post#2525483    
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......where did you get that water neck?.....



Ahhhh....
I'd hafta think about that, don't remember right off hand, it was sorta like a one-off on the evil-bay, looked like hand machined, and I mod'ded it to clear the blower.

Drove that blower around town today, still a nice and very cool car to drive around here...
Willy

Update:
Ran across these pix of the manifold water hose neck after I cut and tig'd it back together...





Edited by 2Loose on 12-14-15 06:11 PM. Reason for edit: added pix

 
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12-14-15 05:01 PM - Post#2595513    
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For the last 18 months the 55 Chevy gasser has been running good, been having a lot of fun with it, but the tranny has been getting increasingly noisy.

Coming home from a party last night, and downshifted to second to turn into my street, let go the clutch with a bit of gas, and the tranny let go....
Again....
Just from the way it felt I think the input shaft gears went, but won't know for sure until I get it apart.
Maybe time for that built up th400 I have?
If I do that, I'll sure miss pounding the gears and banging the clutch....
At least I was only a 1/4 mile from home when it broke, a neighbor saw me there and came over and towed me home. I live in a great neighborhood!
Aloha,
Willy



 
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12-15-15 06:17 AM - Post#2595599    
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Sorry to hear the car is being a pain again. Hope the hand is properly healed, Merry Christmas.

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12-15-15 11:02 AM - Post#2595652    
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Engine producing more torque than the transmission can handle...

2nd time around...

ever feel like your hot rodding adventures produce a consistent amount of scrap metal?

We live vicariously thru your adventures out there in the middle of the Pacific Willy. Keep it up...

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12-16-15 06:39 AM - Post#2595826    
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hi it would be a big shame to take out the manual. Try a jerico or liberty trans or a old chrysler hemi 833 box. used one in eighties in a pontiac never broke it but they weight a lot. case iron you know

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12-19-15 01:14 PM - Post#2596531    
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The Doug Nash/Richmond Gear tranny I'm running is rated at 450 ft-lbs, and has these ratios:
3.28, 2.13, 1.57, 1.24, 1.00.
Richmond doesn't make this tranny any more.
I redline this motor at 5500, and shifting in each gear gives me these speeds:
40, 67, 90, 114, and I don't get to 5500 in fifth. At the track I'm barely into fifth through the lites at 120, and at low 11 seconds.

I had a 4.56 in there for awhile for the track, shifting with those gears gave me this:
30, 51, 69, 88, and went through the lites stuttering the rev limiter at redline at 109, ran out of gear. The 3.50's worked better at the track, and I enjoyed them more on the street. Probably could have raised the limiter to 6000, but, nawww....

Richmond has current gearboxes that have the same case essentially, but a little different tailshaft box, with a gear set moved back into that tailshaft box, I'm guessing reverse, although it might be the overdrive gear. This gives them more room in the main box for a beefier setup. The trans is rated at 600 ft-lbs and is available in two 1st gear ratios, 2.89 or 3.33.
The other gears are: 1.85, 1.31, 1.00, 0.77


Look at this image, the main case is the same as mine, that tailshaft case is quite a bit bigger, and the mount is moved back because of that. The shifter mount is in the same spot.

My choice would probably be to get the 2.89 1st gear and change out my rear end ratio. Running a 3.50 on the street right now, and it's a good fit with the present ratios for the street.

With my current setup, at 2500 rpm I have these speeds in each gear: 18, 28, 38, 48, 59 mph. That's with my current fat rear tires that roll at 27.8" diameter.

If I keep the 3.50 rear end and put in the new trans with the 2.89 1st gear, at 2500 rpm I get these speeds in each gear: 24, 37, 53, 69, 90.

I have other rear gears on the shelf, 4.11, 4.33 and 4.56. With those gears, at 2500 rpm I get these speeds, compared to the present tranny and the new one with 3.50:
3.50: 18, 28, 38, 48, 59 mph (present setup)
3.50: 24, 37, 53, 69, 90 (new tranny}
4.11: 17, 27, 38, 50, 65
4.33: 17, 26, 36, 48, 62
4.56: 16, 25, 35, 45, 59

So I'm thinking about getting the new Richmond Gear with the 2.89 1st ratio and running the 4.56 rear end. Out on the highway running at 70 in 5th I'd be turning 3000 rpm, not bad, as there is not that much road around here where I can run 70, mostly it's 45 to 50 around here. At 50 in fifth I'd be turning about 2100.

Delivered to Maui it's about four grand for that tranny, the driveshaft length would be the same, but the tranny mount would have to be moved rearward by 1.5", not a big deal.

The Jerico tranny runs about twice that amount.
I think I'm through running at the track with this car, just want to keep it around for daily street driving.

I have another car that I can setup for drag racing if I want, but at age 73, just how many more years am I going to be doing that???
(Hah, ya just never know....)
Aloha,
Willy



 
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01-04-16 10:22 AM - Post#2599916    
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Well, everybody who lists the Richmond Gear 5 speed #7020526B gearbox, the one I described above, is now telling me they are back ordered to at least March. I found one but the seller says he doesn't want to ship to Hawaii or Alaska. Can't figure that one, as both UPS and FedEx both deliver to my shop every day! I'm working on him to make an exception, let's see if it works out. Sure don't want to wait until March to get "Patches" back on the road !!
Aloha to all for 2016...
Willy



 

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