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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
2Loose 
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03-26-09 12:32 PM - Post#1661639    

Hi All,

Trying to get my butt back into gear on the 55 gasser project. Want it to look something like this pic somebody sent me recently:

Except mine is a 4dr, but if I can ever find a good set of 2dr doors, we'll make the mod. But a gasser 4dr, never seen one, maybe it's time...

I have a bunch of buddies willing to burn some midnite oil, if I will just step up to the plate and give 'em some direction and let 'em loose, but that's a scary proposition as a lot of you know from personal experience, no matter how talented your buddies might be....

I have an axle I need to narrow, and have a set of wheels for the front, I need to put the wheels in there and set them where I want to get a final hub to hub width for the front axle before I narrow it.

Link to pix on the axle I have.

Not sure just how much clearance I should give on the inside of the front tires to the frame rails (stock frame)) or on the outside to the fender lips. As it will sit high, maybe I should keep it wide, but under the fenders, so I can set the turning radius stops in pretty tight, although there are probably already limits on what the disk brakes will turn to on this axle.

That actually might be my next step, see how tight that axle will turn in, bolt a wheel to it, and see how close to the frame rail I can get it without touching, and see where that puts the wheel when it is straight ahead. Ahhhh, empirical thinking, love it....

But I'm looking for ideas, anybody have any ideas on what I should be looking for when I should set up these front wheels?

Also how much caster should I build into this setup? I was thinking five degrees, it's a street rig, with an occasional pass at the strip. I have the motor specs posted elsewhere on one of my web pages below.

Links to other pix on this project are also available here.

Aloha,
Willy

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03-26-09 02:46 PM - Post#1661738    
    In response to 2Loose

Hey Willy,

Cool ideas. Good luck on your project. I don't have any specific answers for you but thought I would direct you to my fotki site below for a ton of tri-five gasser photos (if you haven't already checked it out).

Should keep you busy for awhile!

Bob
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03-26-09 04:35 PM - Post#1661842    
    In response to 2Loose

Somewhere on the net, and elsewhere, is a pic of a 55 Chevrolet 210 4 door "gasser" that was taken at the old San Cobble Raceway, on Vancouver Islan d, British Columbia, Canada. Has a suicide mounted straight axle, car is yellow, but I can't remember the owner names on the car. But, it looks cool; you don't need to make your 4 dr into a 2 dr. Dare to be different. Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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03-26-09 07:04 PM - Post#1662003    
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OK, found the pic. Henderson and Hooson 55 Chevrolet 210 4 dr D/G car. Go to www.thundermountainraceway.com/2007_files/archives... Second picture from the very end of the page. Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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03-27-09 08:27 AM - Post#1662373    
    In response to 2Loose

Aloha Willy

this is a link to a straight axle build on one of my favorite cars these days.

SHAKEY PUDDIN

the above link may not be exactly what you are looking for, but do a search on the H.A.M.B. for that car and all kinds of gasser info will pop up that could help you.

im looking foward to your build up. take some pics for us!

later,

Darrin

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03-27-09 09:50 AM - Post#1662441    
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That is a great post on a straight axle build and a very cool 55, thanks for the link...

Craig

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03-27-09 09:50 AM - Post#1662442    
    In response to prostreet55

Thanks Darrin,
I go to the HAMB from time to time, was aware of this car, had looked at several posts on this car, but had not found this particular thread. Thanks, a lot of good info here. Our group (OD Racing, means "old dudes" not "overdose"....) (Unless yer talkin' bout an overdose of Racin Fuel....) is divided on using the old Ford front axle I have vs making a straight axle up from scratch. I have TIG and can weld chrome moly. We also thought about just cutting off the ends of this axle we have, and shaping them to insert in a piece of chrome moly tubing and TIG'ing it together. I have no fears about that, but like the idea of an old I-Beam style axle, and the one we have is stout!

Time will tell....
Thanks again,
Willy


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03-27-09 10:27 AM - Post#1662474    
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Watch Shakey Puddin

Link to 55 Chevy Gasser Shakey Puddin on Pass Time

Link to Shakey Puddin

-Brent-
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03-27-09 12:15 PM - Post#1662558    
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Ohiosnows57, NEAT clip, where was the bald-headed pric$? Thanks, TJN



 
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03-27-09 12:30 PM - Post#1662578    
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Fun clips, Brent.

I'd go gasser on the 54 but the Wife won't let me.

Just go for it Willy! You'll figure it out.

Regards.

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03-28-09 11:49 AM - Post#1663190    
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At our normal (abnormal? ) Fender Friday session yesterday, we started tearing apart the '59 Ford truck axle I have, outside is rusty and dirty, but it looks real clean inside. Will finish the disassembly, sand blast and paint it, and get some wheels for it, then do a trial fit, see if I really need to narrow it or not. This is a budget job, so we are using as much of the stuff we have laying around, the goal is to only buy what we absolutely cannot find, scrounge, or steal from what we have already stashed away here and there....
Some pix here.
Aloha,
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03-28-09 04:25 PM - Post#1663351    
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Thoughts of our group on this gasser, is to make it a little different, not a "standard, 2lane blacktop" styled 55 gasser.

Our thoughts, solid front axle, use the '59 ford truck axle we have on hand.

Wide wheels in front, not skinny, looking at 15's, 8" wide, offset a bit if available, narrow the front axle if needed to get best fit under the fenders.

Minitub the back, keep the stock wheel opening, run 15's in back also, at least 10" wide, maybe even 12", as I know they fit from the minitub I did on my hardtop. Narrow the nine inch I have to fit.

The '59 ford front springs are quite long. Easy to re-arch to get a little more height in front. Will check that out at mockup time.

We need to buy wheels, nothing around here we want to use for this project. The front hubs are 5 on 5.5", and we have nothing in this bolt pattern, and I don't want at this time to drill a new bolt pattern in these front hubs. So, looking at new wheels.

Choice #1:


Choice #2:


I like 'em both, but am leaning toward the chrome smoothies. Some of the other guys like the "mag" look better....
Need to order though, so we can bolt 'em up and trial fit the front, and get a measurement for the rear axle.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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03-28-09 04:28 PM - Post#1663354    
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Willy, does that beer bottle have rust inhibitor in it? TJN



 
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03-28-09 05:16 PM - Post#1663383    
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Yeah, the Friday Afternoon Rust Inhibitor, works really well !!!



 
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03-28-09 08:31 PM - Post#1663507    
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thats gonna be a heck of a ride when shes done

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04-05-09 10:43 AM - Post#1669344    
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I've finally got the front suspension pulled out of the car, that was a job! Most of the bolts were rusted solid and required my trusty friend the "Victor Wrench" to get them off!

And man, do I ache all over, I'm out of shape for crawling around under cars!

My buddy, "The Welder", who is famous for chopping substantial parts off of cars, is pushing me to cut the front frame rails off and put new steel in, just like they did on the "Shaky Puddin" '55 project.

I'm resisting. With the cross-steer setup I want to use, and the steering link behind the axle, it looks like the stock steering box will work quite well for that application. The box seems to be in good shape, seems to be tight, no slop I can detect, so am thinking clean up the stock frame rails, keep the stock steering box, and fit in my leaf springs and axle. But I also have a non-power box and tilt steering column out of a ’67 Olds cutlass I could adapt.

The next step is to get the axle under there with the wheels and tires on it and see how it looks. I think it is too wide, will post some pix when I do that.

I also need to consider where the oil pan will sit relative to the axle and steering, looks like tome for a dummy fit of the motor, but I have a spare Olds big block I can use for that.

I'm actually having a really good time doing this, just wish I didn't ache so much while I'm doing it.....
Oh well,
Aloha
Willy

PS, the new front wheels arrived, put some tires on them, here’s a peek…..
Also a pix of the axle and front springs, back from the sand blasters….






 
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04-12-09 10:33 AM - Post#1674643    
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Making some progress, got the front suspension pulled out, set up the wheels under there, found out they stick out about 2" too much on each side, so am in the process of narrowing the front axle 4" to pull in the wheels under the fenders....
This photo shows where they will end up after narrowing the axle....

Sorry about the fuzziness, only had my cell phone camera that day....
Now pulling the rear apart so I can do the minitub and put my new wheels (same as front, but 10" wide) and tires in (12" wide tread BF Goodrich street drag radials) and narrow my nine inch to fit. Need to send the axles out to shorten and respline, I can narrow the housing.

Questions I haven't answered yet:
-Use the original front rails or weld on new front rails?
-Drop the motor down enough so blower sits under the hood, or let it stick through?
-Run heavy leafs and caltraks in back or go with ladder bars (don't like 4 links)?
-keep/redo the original bench seats or go with four buckets, probably summit race buckets?
-build custom roll cage, three main hoops, front, middle, rear, removable side bars, so both front and back seats are readily accessible for street use?
-Build fenderwell headers, or keep 'em hidden Hooker Supercomp style, but with electric cutouts either way?
-Use my old 67 Muncie M21 close ratio or put in the DN 5 sp I have? The Muncie came out of my old 442 and still has the Hurst 442 stick on it!
Aloha all....
Willy



 
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04-12-09 12:45 PM - Post#1674696    
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  • 2Loose Said:

Questions I haven't answered yet:
-Use the original front rails or weld on new front rails?
-Drop the motor down enough so blower sits under the hood, or let it stick through?
-Run heavy leafs and caltraks in back or go with ladder bars (don't like 4 links)?
-keep/redo the original bench seats or go with four buckets, probably summit race buckets?
-build custom roll cage, three main hoops, front, middle, rear, removable side bars, so both front and back seats are readily accessible for street use?
-Build fenderwell headers, or keep 'em hidden Hooker Supercomp style, but with electric cutouts either way?
-Use my old 67 Muncie M21 close ratio or put in the DN 5 sp I have? The Muncie came out of my old 442 and still has the Hurst 442 stick on it!
Aloha all....
Willy



My personal opinions:
DN 5- since you have one, although the shifter you mentioned sounds like it belongs in there.
Fenderwell headers-just looks wild and cool.
No opinion on the cage. That one will be up to you.
Buckets- 60s-70s style. Since you'll have a shifter in the floor, it'll be better to not have the bench in the way.
Ladder bars- extra big and long so you can see them.
Let the blower stick out like God intended.
If the front rails require a lot of work, or if you think they are ugly, replace them.


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04-12-09 01:18 PM - Post#1674708    
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Jeff,
I also have the front buckets out of my old '67 442, they'd be perfect for this rig, but are a bit heavy...
Yeah, I like that idea, keep the shifter off the old Muncie for the DN, and reupholster the 442 buckets....
After all, I saved 'em for something, musta been this project!!!

A buddy of mine did a pro streeter truck with long ladders, and shackles connecting the axle to leaf springs, it handled great, and he could change the height by changing the length of the shackles, within limits of course, and he had a panhard bar on it too for sideways sability, I like that idea....

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04-12-09 03:29 PM - Post#1674802    
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Along the nostalgic theme, paint the ladders a bright color like chrome yellow or something that POPs! Maybe even the front and rear axles too.
I remember painting model cars back in the day and we would paint things under the car in different colors so it would show up.
Also, there were standard colors for certian products.
Lakewood traction bars were yellow.
Holley carbs were that brassy color
That's all I can think of right off, but you get the idea.

Jeff
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04-12-09 04:45 PM - Post#1674863    
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This whole deal is whether you want to make it period correct or some kind of morph.

Period correct:
- Replace the frame rails
- No caltracs, the usual period correct deal was a ladder bar that was too long with the original leaf springs.
- The correct cage wouldn't allow rear seat access.
- The engine location was raised not lowered.
- The 5 speed was not invented yet.
- The car would have the lightest pair of buckets you could find from the era, no back seat. Something like the seat from a sedan delivery, or a foreign version of a delivery.
- The car would not be streetable.

Of course you can build it any way you want.









 
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04-12-09 05:11 PM - Post#1674889    
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Hi Rick, Jeff....
Thanks guys,
Yeah, there are some things about the "period correct" so-called gasser cars I don't like, and I'm far, far from a "purist", so I guess I'm going to borrow a little here and a little there and build a car that I like, sorta what I woulda/coulda/mighta built back then if I had access to what I have now.
Starting with:
-pretty rusty but basically solid 55 4dr that landed in my back yard,
-blown olds 425, not together but all the parts are there and machine shop work done, been looking for a home for this motor for some time,
-choice of 4sp Muncie or 5sp DN,
-59 ford truck front axle/ springs/ steering/ disk brake conversion setup, all parts removed from the ford and dumped in my back yard,
-nine inch Moser rear housing, needs narrowing,
-35 spline Moser axles, need narrowing,
-gotta buy wheels, tires, and a third member,
-assortment of seats around, buckets and bench, probably the 442 buckets in front and a bench in back.

want to make it safe, safe, safe, easy to drive on the street while looking "scary", setup to take at least four people, so yes on a back seat. And it will have a surfboard rack on top!
After all this is Hawaii, so I guess if I needed a motif, coconut gasser beach cruiser???
Heck, might even be a pretty good name, the "Coconut Special"

Gotta go, gotta finish up me taxes and then find some liquid pain reliever, Scottish singlemalt style....
Aloha,
Willy

PS, three of the side glass pieces are cracked, when cleaning out the trunk I found replacement glass, still wrapped up in the original NOS cardboard, didn't know it was there!



Edited by 2Loose on 04-12-09 05:14 PM. Reason for edit: Found New Glass.....

 
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04-12-09 06:47 PM - Post#1674962    
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  • 2Loose Said:
so I guess I'm going to borrow a little here and a little there and build a car that I like, sorta what I woulda/coulda/mighta built back then if I had access to what I have now.



That's what I concluded from your posts.
Some are going to hate it, critisize it, love it and everything in between.
Go crazy, have fun with it.

Jeff
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04-12-09 07:19 PM - Post#1674988    
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A little Motivation for Ya, This one is from : Right Coast show in Syracuse



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04-12-09 07:23 PM - Post#1674989    
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This was built by one of our friend,s, driven all over the freckin place. Has A frames/Big Block



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CTer "Racemad" and myself help on this build.



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Next Generation of HotRodders



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"Racemads" 55 Nomad Gasser



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"Scotto/Blevins" National Record Holder



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CTer member "Bucksnort" starting on rehab, he raced it 100 years ago



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