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Username Post: What does a typical rebuild cost?        (Topic#172461)
Snake 
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10-17-07 03:54 PM - Post#1276131    

I'm trying to figure out if a crate motor or rebuild is more cost effective. If you have a decent long block without any major problems, what can you count on spending in machine work and assembly parts, considering the assembly is done at home and no big power adding is in the game plan?

Thanks very much,
Jake

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10-17-07 04:20 PM - Post#1276145    
    In response to Snake

For the buck, you just can't beat the new crate engines. You can sink close to the same in a rebuild as a crate eng. But you finish it and it breaks, well start over out of your pocket. With a good crate and warranty, nuff said.
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Rick_L 
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10-17-07 04:37 PM - Post#1276160    
    In response to Snake

A few years back I built a 350 for my Nova for about $1000. Bored, new pistons, resized rods, new bearings and freeze plugs, new timing chain and lifters. A couple of things I had going for me was that the core I used had a good performance cam, and the crank only needed polishing. I scored a set of low mile Vortec 350 heads for a song. Bought a new Edelbrock manifold to top it off.

Thing is, if I hadn't found a fairly excellent core for the price, and hadn't found the heads for below market - I could have easily spent $400-700 more. The cost of machine work and parts has no doubt gone up at least 10-15% since I did that one. That would have put the cost a lot closer to crate engine cost.

 
57TOMMY 
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10-17-07 07:45 PM - Post#1276311    
    In response to Rick_L

Hey jake,
When I was thinking of rebiulding my 283 I found out it was cheaper to pick up a crate motor by about 500 to 1000 dollars depending what you want done to the motor. The plus with a crate motor was , with most places , a 1 to 2 year warranty & everything NEW , not a reground crank with 100k on it.
Just my 2 cents
Tom
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SEWERAT 
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10-17-07 11:46 PM - Post#1276400    
    In response to 57TOMMY

Snake,

It kind of depends on what kind of motor you want..... There are so many companies selling anything from a long block to a fully; force fed, fuel injected, super charged big block. I would go GM crate for something that will be a runner or a nice Ramjet if you want FI. But what are you wanting to have under the hood? 275 HP or 700??? FI, carb, blower, Rat, mouse, supercharged, NOS???? street, racing, pro street??? Give some more info on what you have in the budget and what you are going to do with the car....
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Jared1956 
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10-18-07 12:20 AM - Post#1276405    
    In response to Snake

Anyone with money can own a Hot Rod.......not everyone can build one.

Nothing wrong with buying a crate engine.....but it just seems much more satisfying to me to crank that starter for the first time and hear that piece of iron that you have spent hours working on....come to life.

Not trying to put down guys that have to buy things.....lord knows there are many things that I have to pay to have done!!! Just trying to give Snake the justification to build his own engine, even if it costs a little more

To answer your question Snake, .........it depends!!

Ideally all you would need is rings, bearings, gaskets, oil pump, timing chain, and no machine work done. Your cylinders would just need prepped a little and that would be the extent of your machine work. If this was the case, you would spend a lot less than a crate engine.....say 200 to 300 bucks!!

But in the real world, cylinders need bored, so you need new pistons.......cranks are out of spec or have been turned one to many times before, so you need a crank.....cylinder heads need valve guides pressed in, and new valves.......by the time all of this is said and done....your at or well above the cost of a crate engine.

Your best bet is to disassemble your engine and check the cylinders.....mic the crank.......check the valve guides and valves........if any of these need major repair, just stop there and go out and get your crate engine and save yourself time and money.
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Edited by Jared1956 on 10-18-07 12:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MikeB 
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10-18-07 07:28 AM - Post#1276528    
    In response to SEWERAT

  • SEWERAT Said:
It kind of depends on what kind of motor you want.....Give some more info on what you have in the budget and what you are going to do with the car....


I second that. I wanted a 327, so had to build it myself. Here are some approximate prices if doing a rebuild:

Magnaflux, hot tank and/or bake block, deck, bore, hone, install oil plugs and freeze plugs: $150 at a large mass engine rebuilder to $450 at a performance engine shop.

Line boring, if necessary: $150

Grind crank journals: $75

Check rods for trueness: $50. Straighten, resize if necessary: $100 for 8.

Balance: $175. May not be needed for mild engine using all stock-weight GM rotating parts.

You can price components such as pistons, rings, bearings, cam, lifters, timing chain, oil pump, and gaskets.

And, of, course you'll want to get a valve job and have the head decks cleaned up. The heads may also need new guides. You could easily spend $300 or more here. That doesn't include new springs and retainers, which will add another $75-$125 for a decent set.

In my experience, you will always spend more than your budget when doing a rebuild or starting with a bare block.

With something like the GMPP 330 HP motor, you get ALL NEW parts, a mild performance cam, and Vortec heads for around $2500. Very hard to beat.

Then again, it's kinda cool to have the satisfaction of doing it yourself.


Real Hot Rods have a Clutch!

1955 210 2dr: 327, Brodix IK180 heads, Jones cam, M20, Wilwood front brakes

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Edited by MikeB on 10-18-07 07:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
No_Dice 
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10-18-07 07:52 AM - Post#1276544    
    In response to MikeB

Jake - In my experience the type of motor that you need is the question. If you are going for a lot of horsepower, blower, exotic induction, etc then using a reputable engine builder is the way to go. If you are building a street car that is for cruising and local shows? Get a simple crate. My motor is more than I need and I now know that I would have been better off with a crate motor and spending more energy on the details and finish. If I were starting over on my car I would get an Edelbrock crate motor.


 
Snake 
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10-18-07 01:01 PM - Post#1276787    
    In response to No_Dice

Thank you for all of the advice guys.

What I'm shooting for is a nostalgic looking cruiser, so hp can be pretty conservative to save some coin. I would love to say I have a 327 but if I can do a 350 crate for a lot less, and have a warranty to boot, I think I would have to go that route. Just slap some finned parts on it and we're golden

I'm wondering if these rebuilt 327's on ebay for $2000 are worth a look, or if that would just be asking for trouble.

Jake
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Tri5man 
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10-18-07 01:43 PM - Post#1276820    
    In response to Snake

I've heard of too many horror stories of machine shop screw ups to be messing with a rebuild. A crate motor is a no brainer. If I were buying one, it would be the 290 HP one for less then $2000 warantee included.

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No_Dice 
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10-18-07 01:48 PM - Post#1276827    
    In response to Tri5man

Snake - ping Smedding (ask busy) and ask them what they could do with your 327.


 
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10-18-07 02:18 PM - Post#1276853    
    In response to No_Dice

Dice,
Smedding doesn't do rebuilds anymore. They haven't for a couple of years now.
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No_Dice 
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10-18-07 02:20 PM - Post#1276854    
    In response to busyguy8

maybe they have a shop that they refer folks to? There is nothing in San Jose that I have heard of...folks mostly use crates.



 
MikeB 
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10-18-07 04:45 PM - Post#1276983    
    In response to Snake

No way would I buy a rebuilt 327 on eBay.
Real Hot Rods have a Clutch!

1955 210 2dr: 327, Brodix IK180 heads, Jones cam, M20, Wilwood front brakes

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Snake 
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10-18-07 04:46 PM - Post#1276985    
    In response to No_Dice

Also, sadly, the 327 went away with the 55 when I sold it . I will have to pick up a core from craigslist or something if I go that route.

Jake
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J. 
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10-18-07 05:57 PM - Post#1277054    
    In response to Snake

PM sent.
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Big T 
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10-18-07 07:16 PM - Post#1277133    
    In response to Snake

I had a 350 I was going to rebuild for the 55. Wound up buying the 350HO crate to save money.
Tom

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Big T 
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10-18-07 07:17 PM - Post#1277134    
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I had a 350 I was going to rebuild for the 55. Wound up buying the 350HO crate to save money.
Tom

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57TOMMY 
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10-19-07 06:06 AM - Post#1277393    
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Hey Snake,
Check with Busy about Smeding, They no longer do rebuilds , but if you want a crate motor they are hard to beat. You can also go to your nearest GM dealer & pick a motor with a year warranty. I went with the 350/290 GM motor, I think they are about $1700.
Tom
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Edited by 57TOMMY on 10-19-07 06:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Nick P 
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10-19-07 07:56 AM - Post#1277470    
    In response to SEWERAT

You are still alive..................Good to know.
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56BUDDY 
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10-19-07 11:13 AM - Post#1277641    
    In response to Snake

Snake,
Lots of good points here. Jared has a good point too about building your own.

One point that I would like to add...what do you want? Is this going in a car for the long run or will it be put up for sale? If that's the case, then the cash would be a factor. But, if you're going to keep this car...I'd go with the crate motor. I bought the HO Deluxe at Crown Chevrolet in Dublin. That's the complete engine including a 600 Holley, long water pump, HEI distributor and flex plate. I was looking for a cruiser with alittle punch. Still working the bugs out but, no regrets. This car will NEVER be sold. So, it was put together for the long run.

Good Luck on your decision.

Mel
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10-19-07 12:05 PM - Post#1277689    
    In response to 56BUDDY

I put together my 235 using no-name plain brown wrapper rebuilder parts. Approx. 120K to 140K mi. later it was still using no oil, & ran well, I pulled it & sold it. Built the inline 292 I'm using now same way. Only have 40K to 60K on it, OK so far, gimme a few more yrs, I'll let you know how it did.
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10-19-07 03:50 PM - Post#1277850    
    In response to inline0_0

And, the GM crates usually have a hyd roller cam. A good item, considering the quality of today's oils.
If you price a rebuild, and add a hyd roller into the equation, it gets to be considerably more $$, and still no warranty.!
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Snake 
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10-19-07 07:18 PM - Post#1277881    
    In response to Old Buzzard

I think I am sold on the crate idea, especially if Crown in Dublin has a good price.

Once again thanks to all of you for the help here, one more thread to prove Chevytalk rules.

Jake
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Snake 
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10-23-07 07:41 PM - Post#1280495    
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I need to bring this back to the top for an additional question:

It looks like the $1500 250hp and $1900 290hp GM crate engines are very similar, which would you go for? They both use a hydraulic flat tappet cam and cast iron heads. Is the upgrade to the 290 worth the extra coin?

Thanks again,
Jake
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10-23-07 09:09 PM - Post#1280550    
    In response to Snake

Hey Jake
I got the 290 motor & although it took some time it now runs great. My first build & I had some vacumm & carb issues. If you want me to be honest.
If I had it to do again I would save the cash & get the standard motor. I am not all that interested in burning up my new tires.
Just my two cents
Tom
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Snake 
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10-23-07 09:31 PM - Post#1280566    
    In response to 57TOMMY

Thanks Tommy I really appreciate your help here.

On a side note I have been looking at 3x2 setups and I think I am going to put one on this crate motor. That should provide some tinkering potential that I miss out on by not building an engine

Jake
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10-23-07 09:52 PM - Post#1280576    
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it may be best to get the engine set up with a standard 4bbl to keep things simple. get the engine running this way to iron things out, then throw on the deuces!

J
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10-23-07 10:45 PM - Post#1280594    
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I have the GMPP 290. I believe the difference is the cam. They don't have the 250 here or I probably would have bought it and saved the extra for a cam and Vortec heads.
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Snake 
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10-24-07 07:54 AM - Post#1280728    
    In response to J.

Good idea J. From what I read though, if you run it with a progressive linkage and set up the outer carbs as dumpers, you only have to tune the primary/middle carb, which should be relatively easy. Just have to make sure your outer carbs are not causing a vaccuum leak with ill-fitting butterflies.

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