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Username Post: PERMANENT: CANADIAN CHEVROLET THREAD 1912-28        (Topic#116487)
Anonymous 

11-10-05 12:29 AM - Post#813227    

I am starting a new discussion Thread here in the 'Pioneer' forum!
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<br />Please feel free to contribute.

David Hayward



Edited by David Hayward on 03-31-07 02:57 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 




Anonymous 

1928 K Body mystery
11-10-05 12:43 AM - Post#813228    
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In 1928 GM of Canada had a substantial body plant in Oshawa, Ontario assembly plant but although the Fisher of Canada company did not actually exist, there was still a myth put forward on body plates that there was!

The serial number was on a plate such as:

GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA
LIMITED.
MADE IN CANADA OSHAWA ONT.
MODEL NATIONAL SERIAL NO.1234567
ENGINE NO. 31234567

BUT the body plate said

FISHER BODY
BUILT BY
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LTD., OSHAWA
CORRESPONDENCE PERTAINING TO THE
BODY MUST BEAR THE NUMBERS
JOB NO-8180 [2-DOOR COUPE]
BODY NO K 405

Note the 'K' prefix, not for Kansas City. MI...but what for? 'Kanada'? 'Klosed Body'? We do not know, and yet not al closed bodies had this prefix! Apart from Oshawa there was also a truck cab plant in Walkerville, ONT just down the road from the Canadian Products Division plant in Walker Road.



 
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Re: 1928 K Body mystery
11-12-05 10:46 AM - Post#813229    
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Hi David,
I would love to help you, but anything I can find about that era has your name as a writer or as a co-writer on it. I'll keep searching, but I don't think I'll be of any use.

Richard

The Bald A$$ Prairie Farm How sweet is the roar of a Chevy four (Thanks Chipper) I rather see them rolling then rusting [url=http://users.shockware.com/rosielle/bolts4sale.html]


 
Anonymous 

Re: 1928 K Body mystery
11-12-05 09:50 PM - Post#813230    
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Thanks!



 
Anonymous 

X-files
11-12-05 09:50 PM - Post#813231    
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Quote:
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EXPORT MOTORS:

An example of an export motor is that installed in a 4-door Sedan assembled in NZ, # R3,999,684 with the # 348532 Block, Bow-tie symbol, then 16, and Date Code A-19-8 for January 19th, 1928 [this would have been delivered to Oshawa, and is of course a Right-hand drive motor consequently the dates do not tally with U.S. l.h.d. motors]. However, in Australia, G.M. (Australia) Pty. Ltd installed cast iron pistons in the truck motors so that the smaller radiator could cope with the derating to 31 b.h.p. @ 2,200 r.p.m. In the UK, a need to uprate to a more competitive 25 cwt. Capacity and the more temperate climate allowed the use of alloy pistons and the full 35 b.h.p. motor was installed with the smaller radiator. With the change to Series LO/L.O. truck chassis, the export right-hand drive Truck motors assembled in Flint Motor Plant switched to a revised TR prefix, whereas of course the right-hand drive equivalents of the T prefixed motors had been RT up until the end of Series LM/L.M. assembly. An example of such 1928 LO series r.h.d. motors are: Hendon-assembled LO40029, Block Casting # 348532 with a motor in the region of # TR3,866,000, registered March 2nd, 1928. An example of a l.h.d. export motor by comparison is that installed in a Brazilian 1927 truck: # T4,182,419. # 348532 12 B-8-8, February 8th 1928. A Brazilian 1928 pick-up had # T4,471,028 # 348532 16 E-7-8, May 7th 1928.



XR: rare beasts!

The XR prefix on motors fitted in the majority of Hendon-assembled [London] Series AB Ton Chassis after about Engine # 4,115,000. Prior to this change, AB commercial chassis [not the cars] used R prefixes only [see below]. This eXport Right hand drive engine must have used the 31 b.h.p. [rounded-up to 32 b.h.p. in the UK brochures] version of the 2-port engine, but with truck-style cast iron pistons and the 4.3:1 Compression ratio rather than 4.5:1. This motor was it seems optional on the trucks sold in Scotland for instance, and perhaps Wales, with mountain climbing requiring a cooler-running motor with the small radiator. The 1928 Scottish Show catalogue states that the truck on display had a 32 b.h.p. motor, and it is suggested that this was the same unit as the XR prefix National 10 [for 10 cwt. or ton capacity] chassis. Perhaps it was thought that the stop-start regime and three-speed gearbox of the light commercial chassis was too much for the car 35 b.h.p. unit? An example of a Hendon-assembled Series AB is AB92050 registered October 10th 1928, with Block # 348532. The motor would be in the region of # XR4,800,000. Compare these with a New Zealand assembled Series AB, XHAB10269 with Engine # XR4,843,784 which has a two-bladed fan and two-port head, and # R4,837,784, Cast Date H-2-8 for August 2nd, 1928. These were assembled by Flint a few days apart! Even closer together was British AB Light Delivery # AB92143, which had Engine # XR4,843,699! This was assembled a matter of minutes away, and probably delivered to Bloomfield in the same train although one went across the Atlantic and the other the Pacific! Contrast this with New Zealand-assembled LP truck which had Engine # TR5,016,562, Cast Date I-12-8, September 12th, 1928. However, as with New Zealand not all of the export r.h.d. Series AB chassis used the XR motor. S.U.P. Tarrytown export to the UK Car # 2AB60021 was fitted with Engine # R3,903,693 [Flint-assembled motor from February? 1928]. Light Delivery C.K.D. chassis from Bloomfield Boxing Plant motors Engine # R3,877,457 to # R4,117,025 are known, with possibly the higher compression Head, whereas motors Engine # XR4,146,254 to # XR5,051,104 are the lowest-to-highest known XR prefixed motors. The former was assembled in Flint motor plant in early March 1928, whereas the latter is close to the end of 4-cylinder motor assembly at Flint.
ENGINES: # XR4,146,000 TO # XR5,100,000 AT LEAST.


X: a rarer beast?

However, Light Delivery Chassis Vegetable Truck serial # 2AB51813 has Engine # X4,312,121 with # 348532 Block bow-tie and 2 D 4 8 Date Code for April 4th 1928, with a # 348540 Head dated H 8 8 with a 1 underneath the first 8, for August 8th 1928. This truck was sold originally in New Jersey and fitted with a body by Boyer Bodies, and was thus an eXport specification l.h.d. truck, SUP from Tarrytown Plant, as would have been exported by GM Export Company. This was probably the l.h.d. standard motor equivalent of the U.K. export XR motor. Note that as it was a light delivery chassis, the T prefixed truck motor was not fitted. This proved that there were l.h.d. equivalents of the XR motor, as had been prophesised but never before proven. However another has been found, Engine # X5,050,932 which is installed in a late AB woodie wagon.

Other l.h.d. export motors used in Light Delivery chassis had no prefixes: for example # 4,596,3xx exported via Bloomfield, New Jersey Boxing Plant to General Motors G.m.b.H., Berlin-Karlsrher, Germany which has Car Number: XFCA11527 Block # 348532 F-8-8 June 8th 1928 in the Sinsheim Museum.
ENGINES: AS PER ABOVE?



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Re: 1928 K Body mystery
11-18-05 04:47 AM - Post#813232    
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Hi David,
it may be nothing, but searching for info on my '26 I ran in to this: http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevytalk/canadiangmc.html and you aren't mentioned in there so maybe this is new to you. And in there the truck models start with the K of ?
I hope this helps

Richard

The Bald A$$ Prairie Farm How sweet is the roar of a Chevy four (Thanks Chipper) I rather see them rolling then rusting [url=http://users.shockware.com/rosielle/bolts4sale.html]


 
Anonymous 

Re: 1928 K Body mystery
11-19-05 01:08 AM - Post#813233    
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Thanks Richard, yes you've guessed it I wrote it and posted it! The GMC 'K-' model prefix seems to have started around post-WW1 and then was used until about 1928 MY when 'T-' was used.



 




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