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Username Post: What to do if pushrods jumbled ?        (Topic#280707)
DavidDeLuxe 
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05-05-12 05:03 PM - Post#2222882    

Hypothetical situation: Let's say that a good friend of mine was rebuilding a 58-62 235 he recently picked up. He is a fairly good guy, but he works in a small home garage and is cramped for space, so he is often tripping over things. In the process of bagging and tagging all the bolts and parts, this very good friend accidentally upset the apple cart that his pushrods were laid on.

Now, this friend thinks that some of them may still be in order. Also, half of the rods have a small round wear mark, while the other half have a slightly bigger round wear mark.

Is there any hope for matching them with their original valves again? Or should he A: Put it back together and hope for the best, or B: now do a FULL rebuild of the engine

R. David Carlson, Jr.
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bobg1951chevy 
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05-05-12 08:58 PM - Post#2222937    
    In response to DavidDeLuxe

Being that he is your "friend" I would take the chance and put it back together with what you believe to be correct.
Bob G.

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05-05-12 09:03 PM - Post#2222941    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

I have a friend who did the exact same thing!! What are the odds!!!! In my case... oops... I mean in my friend's case he just gave it his best guess when putting them back in.
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arnieg141 
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05-06-12 05:03 AM - Post#2222990    
    In response to DavidDeLuxe

dave with push rods on a 235 is no real big deal you going to need to adjust all them again any way.you did say you rebuilt motor so a guesse a new cam went in so adjusting would be a defent job being done
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05-06-12 06:14 AM - Post#2223015    
    In response to DavidDeLuxe

Nice to have it all in proper order but if it ain't it ain't and all will work out in the long run. I think we all have friends like that. I have one that forgot to put the rotor back in the distributor after installing and setting a new set of points. Ran my brand new battery into the ground.
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Cruzin Okie 
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05-06-12 06:27 AM - Post#2223022    
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2blu52, don't you mean your friends battery?
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2blu52 
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05-06-12 11:38 AM - Post#2223120    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

age related spastic brain activity. Of course I meant my friend.
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05-06-12 12:06 PM - Post#2223130    
    In response to 2blu52

I once had to... I mean this same friend of mine once had to pull and reinstall the oil pan on his 261 FOUR times due to screwing up the installation procedure! He ran all the auto-parts store out of oil pan gaskets for 15 miles around--true story!!
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Cruzin Okie 
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05-06-12 02:50 PM - Post#2223177    
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Rrausch, I have a friend just like that. He shows up from time to time and does some of the strangest things. I told my wife the other day that he spends 1/2 of his time loosing things and the other 1/2 looking for them. My friend that is.
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Vonratnick 
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05-06-12 03:36 PM - Post#2223195    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

Strewth! You have mates just like me!

What are the chances of that happening
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05-06-12 06:40 PM - Post#2223246    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

My friend is named "I don't Know". It seems he showed up one day while my three boys were growing up and has stayed around. Every time something gets jumbled or misplaced or broken....you guessed it "I don't know" did it
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Gene_Schneider 
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05-06-12 07:10 PM - Post#2223258    
    In response to one4dad

Years agfo the mechanics in our dealerdhip never put the push-rods back in the same position and neither did I. Either they are good or bad and the adjustment will take care of the reae. However lifters sold be put back in the same position due to the way they are contacted by the cam lobe.
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05-06-12 09:32 PM - Post#2223287    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

  • Gene_Schneider Said:
Years agfo the mechanics in our dealerdhip never put the push-rods back in the same position and neither did I. Either they are good or bad and the adjustment will take care of the reae. However lifters sold be put back in the same position due to the way they are contacted by the cam lobe.



Gene is correct... Just put the pushrods in, adjust them and worry about the IMPORTANT things;, Like who's buying the beer when the job is finished..?..

 
arnieg141 
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05-07-12 03:48 AM - Post#2223322    
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GET ER DONE .. AS I GET OLDER I LIKE FAST CARS I CAN STILL DRIVE. AND VERY SLOW WOMEN I CAN CATCH while still able..arnie garrison


 
davidchristopher 
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05-07-12 05:19 AM - Post#2223345    
    In response to arnieg141

Also -and this is really important - make sure you install the push-rods in the correct direction! Installing them horizontally will lead to very poor performance.

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DavidDeLuxe 
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05-11-12 07:34 AM - Post#2224786    
    In response to arnieg141

I'm on the fence right now about how far to go with this new engine.

On one side, I think that work done now is work I don't have to do later, so that's good.

On the other side, I also think that the weather is absolutely beautiful today and who among us wouldn't prefer to be turning the steering wheel outside than be turning the wrench inside ??
R. David Carlson, Jr.
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DavidDeLuxe 
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05-11-12 07:37 AM - Post#2224789    
    In response to davidchristopher

Too late - guess I just converted the old Blue Flame into a Porsche flat six

I'm pretty sure this makes me some kind of engineering genius
R. David Carlson, Jr.
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DavidDeLuxe 
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05-11-12 07:47 AM - Post#2224791    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Thank you, Gene. That is primarily what my question was driving at. The manual, rebuild guides, and other sources all stress the importance of returning the rocker/lifter/valve-assem bly to it's original order, and usually the pushrods are included with that.

I lifted the rocker arm assembly off together, so it is only my pushrods that are partially out of order. I haven't gone down to the lifters yet and I'm not sure I will.

R. David Carlson, Jr.
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'84 Corvette 406ci sbc ACCEL 1000CFM Superram DFI & TH400



 
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