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2ndtime50guy
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2ndtime50guy
03-30-14 03:10 PM - Post#2440458    

Great news! I just got a call from the owner's grandson. He was paid to tow my 1st time '50 Chevy out of the pasture today and parked it up next to the house. He said "come and get it, she's ready!" Perfect timing too! I'm on Spring Break from the school I teach and I'll have all week to shoot before pics and videos, clean out the nests, and begin the next chapter. I'm thanking the Lord that she's finally coming home after 16 years away!

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03-30-14 03:34 PM - Post#2440466    

Congratulations!! I think everyone's just as excited as you are!
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03-30-14 03:34 PM - Post#2440467    

That's great news. I have been hoping to see this update. Congrats.
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03-30-14 03:52 PM - Post#2440475    


I know your excited 50guy, and I understand completely! Congratulations and glad you didn't give up. Glad you gave The Lord credit too!
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2ndtime50guy
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03-30-14 04:23 PM - Post#2440490    

Thanks guys! Here are a few pics I just drove by and took real quick before sunset.

Not in her old spot!:



Up on the lane!:


Final sunset at this address?:


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2ndtime50guy
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03-30-14 04:38 PM - Post#2440493    

Thanks 50sChevys. I finally started praying about it and asked for patience. I had just resigned myself to the fact that I may not be able to pick it up until this summer and that I just needed to grow up and deal with it. It's been hard putting it out of my mind. So, we went to church this morning for the first time in several weeks, I put some stainless moldings back on the 2nd time 50, and started getting cleaned up when I got the phone call. You could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw the name on the caller ID!
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03-30-14 04:45 PM - Post#2440494    

Way to go Tim
"good things come to those who wait"

Bill
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bobg1951chevy
03-30-14 05:38 PM - Post#2440514    

Boy, I thought you would have to wait until June.

Great news. Now, let's see how the wallet holds up with 2 Chevys wanting attention from you.
Bob G.

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03-30-14 05:58 PM - Post#2440525    

Great mews Tim!!!!!! I am going to have to come over and see it!!!!
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03-30-14 05:59 PM - Post#2440526    

I'm gonna have to go slow from here on out or my wife will make me "go by the way of the dinosaurs"...extinct. Right now we're going through all our towing options as there is a three day rain coming Wednesday and my free tow isn't available until then. I may fork over $75 for a wrecker to go get it tomorrow. It's only a 14 mile tow.
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03-30-14 06:04 PM - Post#2440528    

Have you checked renting a trailer from U-Haul?
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2ndtime50guy
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03-30-14 06:42 PM - Post#2440545    

Yeah, I just checked. They don't have a car trailer available in my Zip code. Two years ago I had found a towing company that could do it for $75. I'm sure I can find them or another for a good price.
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03-30-14 06:51 PM - Post#2440548    

Congratulations!! Awesome to see that you will have it back. I'd have the tow truck pick it up tomorrow and take No chances of not getting it home.
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2ndtime50guy
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03-30-14 07:04 PM - Post#2440553    

Thanks Jim! I thought for a brief second about taking up an offer of a free two-wheeled trailer tow, but decided against that. There might not be any lube in the axel and the rear bearings probably haven't been greased in 20 years. I don't want to burn anything up doing that!
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03-30-14 07:19 PM - Post#2440559    

33 Ford 3-window
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57 Buick
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69 Camaro Z/11
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usmile4
03-30-14 07:59 PM - Post#2440573    

Let's hear a big Woo Hoo!

I've been keeping my fingers crossed that you actually got it after all you have been through. I feel like I want to send the old guy a thank you card just to let him know we all appreciate saving the old iron, especially to someone with a history with the car. If you find some parts you need let me know as I might have them in the parts bin!
Bill Gommel

49 chevy Styleline (Sold), 51 Styleline 2 dr Special, 235 (from a 61 truck) bored .060 over, Dual Carter/Webers, Fenton Headers, T5- 5 speed with a 56 rear end.

High5
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03-30-14 08:14 PM - Post#2440574    

Congratulations!!

It may have been a while, but normally good things come to those who wait. Look forward to seeing more pictures once you get her home.
1951 Chevrolet Sport Coupe 235 4 barrel 4spd
1954 Chevrolet 2dr Sedan Highboy 350 V8 set back 20% tilt front end '57 Olds rear 7" lift to front susp.
1955 Chevrolet 2dr Hardtop Highboy Olds tripower engine 4spd
1970 Corvette Stingray convertible

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03-31-14 04:19 AM - Post#2440606    

go get it. go get it now! you'll never regret spending the money for a tow. Plus, you'll have all week to start on the car.
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2ndtime50guy
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03-31-14 04:38 AM - Post#2440617    

Yep! I'm hitting the bank in about 25 minutes and heading out. I found a reputable tow company this morning that will charge $75 or $80.
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03-31-14 04:56 AM - Post#2440623    

Congrats! We can all sense your excitement! And everyone likes a happy ending.
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03-31-14 05:25 AM - Post#2440628    

Good news.
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whiskey1954
03-31-14 06:22 AM - Post#2440637    

Great news!! Glad that there will be another "SURVIVOR" in our Chevy world.
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kensluys
03-31-14 10:42 AM - Post#2440706    

Fantastic! I'm looking forward to your updates as time goes on. Perhaps you could start a build thread on it, too.

I'll pop the top on a cold one to celebrate this for you!
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2ndtime50guy
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03-31-14 04:21 PM - Post#2440780    



Big sigh of relief. She's home. Long day. I'm beat. Here's what I accomplished:

1. Bought the car, $1600.
2. Pics and video--I'll do a build thread!
3. Stripped interior except front seat and headliner.
4. Front seat still held down by one rusted bolt; soaking over night in penetrating oil.
5. Front seat floors and trunk pan are SHOT.
6. Driver side rocker, door bottom, rear quarter SHOT.
7. Passenger rocker shot.
8. ALL glass is BEAUTIFUL. Car only has 44,000 original miles. 2nd timer has 96,000!
9. 3 tires hold air, spare in trunk is still BRAND NEW! Making the switch tomorrow.
10. Tomorrow we pull front seat, wiring, headliner.
11. Wore gloves and respirator mask for about 6 hours! More later. Thank you guys for all the wonderful support through this trying time. Seller was actually pleasant today! Best part: he never transferred the title over to himself, so all I have to do is apply for a lost title and pay no sales tax! It's as if I paid him to store it for 16 years!

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wbeaton
03-31-14 04:36 PM - Post#2440786    

Actually, its more like he paid you $400 for the pleasure of storing it for you if you consider he gave you $2000 back in 1998.

Congrats on getting her back. You are one of the lucky ones.
1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 Door Sedan
1954 235 with Isky Cam, Shaved Head
Dual Carter YF 787S Carbs on Offenhauser Intake
Split Manifold Dual Exhaust
3 Speed with 3.55 Differential
12V Conversion with Alternator
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2ndtime50guy
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2ndtime50guy
03-31-14 04:43 PM - Post#2440789    

Ah, quite true if you look at the original sale price! I wish he hadn't put it out to pasture. It's gonna be a labor of love to say the least.
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03-31-14 05:50 PM - Post#2440807    

Looks happy.
1951 Business Coupe
1957 Chevy 3100 project
1973 Camaro type LT
2003 GMC 2500 8.1L4X4
2005 3500 Silverado Duramax DRW
2015 Corvette Z06 DSOM w/kalahari brown
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Keith_Knox
03-31-14 07:47 PM - Post#2440846    

Glad to see it at its rightfull home.
1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
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bigbowtielover
03-31-14 07:56 PM - Post#2440850    

So cool you got your first car back. Many are not so lucky.
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rayb2
04-01-14 02:52 AM - Post#2440886    

Glad to see the car. I have been following your post. Can not wait to see you build post.
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Fitzback
04-01-14 03:28 AM - Post#2440891    

Cool story!

Fitz.
La vie est belle! 1953 Pontiac Pathfinder deLuxe 2 doors sedan + Victory Vision tour

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04-01-14 04:45 AM - Post#2440916    

  • bigbowtielover Said:
So cool you got your first car back. Many are not so lucky.


I made a limited attempt to find my 38 2 door but was not succesful, it left town and so I began to look for another one. Off and on I had interest in old cars, 4 wheel driving, dirt bikes, and back to the old car. Found the 52 and glad I did. no way I could go back to the time place influence of owning that 38.
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04-01-14 06:01 AM - Post#2440934    

Great news there. Man what a load off I bet. Now comes the fun part!
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67Spirit
04-01-14 01:26 PM - Post#2441029    

Congrats on finding and getting your old car home again!
I hope like others, that you will post pics of the homecoming and how things progress afterwards.
Tim in NC
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56sedandelivery
04-01-14 03:27 PM - Post#2441067    

There has NEVER been a car I did't regret selling; one, I actually did own twice, a 1956 Chevrolet, Model 150, Bus coupe that turned into my first purpose built drag car with a BBC-Powerglide-Camaro 12 bolt. The guy that has it now was trying to sell it on E-Bay for 56K! But, it is far more the car now than when I had it 43 years ago. So, I think I know how you feel/felt, how you wanted your car back, and have finally succeeded in getting it back. Kudos to you for sticking with it. A lot of guys probably would have just given up on it. I'm a Chevrolet guy, to the core, in fact, I bleed Chevrolet orange. But, my first new car was a 1970 Dodge Dart, Swinger 340. Thing is, I have my eye on one for sale locally, for 3 times what I paid for new ($3410.50). I'm just not sure if I'm ready to start sleeping in the garage/shop, if you know what I mean. Butch/56sedandelivery.


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04-01-14 06:31 PM - Post#2441133    

My goal this week is for the 1st timer to not look like I'm starting a junk yard. Here she is prior to sale:



And here she is today:



A good wash and wax brought back the two tone!!
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2ndtime50guy
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04-01-14 08:17 PM - Post#2441156    

Tomorrow's goals:

1. Remove all old wiring and voltage regulator.
2. Soak engine/valves/lifters with MMO.
3. Buy a ballast resistor. (condenser if needed)
4. Install old coil, points, plugs, plug wires, and Rochester B leftover from the 2nd timer.
5. Remove muffler (in case of mouse nests!)
6. Install a temporary remote starter lead.
7. Remove valve cover and inspect.
8. Check for short on distributor side (thanks Bob Hayden!)
9. Borrow 2ndtimer's battery.
10. Disconnect fuel line to fuel pump.
11. Prime carb.
10. Give her a crank and see what happens!
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04-01-14 08:46 PM - Post#2441159    

Ballast resistor for ......... ?
Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.









Rustedgold
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04-01-14 10:11 PM - Post#2441171    

  • bobg1951chevy Said:
Ballast resistor for ......... ?



I assume for a 12v conversion?
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tommy49
04-02-14 03:18 AM - Post#2441190    

Looks like a different car already and ready to roll! Good job!
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2ndtime50guy
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04-02-14 03:42 AM - Post#2441200    

  • Rustedgold Said:
  • bobg1951chevy Said:
Ballast resistor for ......... ?



I assume for a 12v conversion?



Yeah, so I can use a 12 volt battery to start it. I'll do the full conversion and harness later as I'm able with the budget.
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04-02-14 04:55 AM - Post#2441216    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
  • Rustedgold Said:
  • bobg1951chevy Said:
Ballast resistor for ......... ?



I assume for a 12v conversion?



Yeah, so I can use a 12 volt battery to start it. I'll do the full conversion and harness later as I'm able with the budget.



You can jump start 6V with 12V Just make sure all the accessories and lights are turned off and do not step on the brake pedal or you will take out the tail light bulbs. You probably need to replace bettery cables any way so just pruchase some o2 gage cables and use the 6V to start it with.
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04-02-14 06:44 AM - Post#2441252    

Exciting! Take video if you can.

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04-02-14 07:00 AM - Post#2441256    

ok, understand now.
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04-02-14 08:56 AM - Post#2441288    

I really like the look with the exterior sun visor (ESV). Is that an original?
Mike
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2ndtime50guy
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04-02-14 10:38 AM - Post#2441314    

Thanks guys! All my plans are on hold now; it's storming out. I did manage to clean and gap the plugs and clean up the distributor and points. Everything looks fairly new. The 6 volt battery is nearly 20 years old, so I was going to avoid it all together. I plan to do LOTS of testing before I try to fire it. I may hack saw off the muffler too. I'm sure it has mouse nests in it. Over half of the seat springs had nests in them, so I'm not taking any chances. Is it possible that mice could get past the muffler and nest in or near the manifold? Is that a dumb question? I just want to be thorough before I waste my time draining batteries. I also plan to disconnect fuel line from pump on tank side and blow out the lines on the carb side, replace inline fuel filter, and put on my old rebuilt Rochester B from the 2nd timer. It's won't run great, but it should start it. I also have all my old plug wires. They aren't great, but they do carry spark. It's kind of nice not having to spend so much money this time! And not having to run to the internet every five minutes! You guys have taught me sooooo much! Thanks!
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4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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RAM_51
04-02-14 12:51 PM - Post#2441347    

Wanted to say congratulations on getting "your" car home!
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'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
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04-02-14 01:15 PM - Post#2441356    

That is so cool to have your old car back. Wishing you the best of luck with it.
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04-02-14 02:09 PM - Post#2441375    

  • FortyNineCoupe Said:
I really like the look with the exterior sun visor (ESV). Is that an original?



Sorry, I forgot to reply to you earlier! We found the visor in the backseat of another Chevy for sale alongside the road in Michigan in about 1987. We were up there visiting family, spotted the other car and the owner sold it to us for $35. I think it's the original style, but I don't know if they came from GM or outside sources. I think my dad had to make some of the hardware at work to mount it. It fits perfectly, that's all I know.
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04-02-14 04:33 PM - Post#2441421    

That's OK. The reason I asked is because it looks like the same one as I have which is an original accessory. Mine goes on with clips (nothing needs drilled) and it comes up a bit in the center whereas some other types do not. Here's a shot of mine.

Mike
'49 Styleline DeLuxe Sport Coupe

2ndtime50guy
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04-02-14 04:54 PM - Post#2441433    

That looks a lot like mine. I like your car!
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04-02-14 04:56 PM - Post#2441434    

Thanks Ram! (and everyone else!)
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04-02-14 09:48 PM - Post#2441527    

Before you crank the engine, remove the valve cover and give the valve end of each rocker arm a hard whack with a rubber hammer. This should reduce the chance of bent pushrods in case you have any stuck valves.

Ray
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new2me52
04-03-14 02:51 AM - Post#2441541    

Good advice (as always). I bent a pushrod turning mine by hand because of a stuck valve. Great car, good luck.
Terry Martin
1952 styleline deluxe 4 door
1967 chevelle
1999 tahoe
my '52

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04-03-14 05:15 AM - Post#2441583    

Good to see it worked out for you!
1951 2dr Sedan... In the family since new!
1950 Convertible

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brewsterg6
04-03-14 05:23 AM - Post#2441587    

That visor is the original USA Chevrolet accessory visor. A lot of dealers and customers would install the Pontiac one piece visor because it looked better. (Their opinion, of course) Up here in Canada we had the Pontiac visor as the only option available for both Chevrolets and Pontiacs. Another option you need to pick up is the traffic light view finder. Helps you see the lights that are blocked by the visor when you stop...
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1950 Convertible

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04-03-14 03:31 PM - Post#2441706    

Hi Guys! Sorry for the delay. Our internet went down last night and we just now got back on a few minutes ago. I soaked everything in MMO, tapped each one, and then turned the engine by hand keeping a checklist of the motions. All 12 moved down and up freely! Today I rebuilt the carb since it rained most of the day. This afternoon, I got it reinstalled along with a new inline fuel filter. Tomorrow I just need to remove the muffler (it has to be full of nests like the rest of the car--found another one under the battery box today!) and I also want to ditch the gas tank (it was BAD when we sold it to him and it's the same one) Don't ask me how I know it's the same tank, I just do...oh ok, I'll tell you. My dad took it to work to braze a pin hole leak back in about 1991 or 1992. Even though he has a welding degree from a technical school, he only flushed the tank with water first. The result...POOF. It expanded. He wasn't hurt, but he may have had to change his drawers. To get it back under the car, I had to jump on it a few times to flatten it back out. So there you have it...it's a family heirloom. Anyway before I do anything, I'll run voltage tests on the coil, the condenser, and the points. Then I'll check each plug wire for continuity and LASTLY, set out the fire extinguisher, grab my neighbor who helped me start 2nd timer, a video camera, and unhook the fuel line from the pump to the back and plug the hole with a rubber stopper. Oh and I need to go buy (or make) a remote start switch. I really don't like the thought of jumping a screw driver across posts as some do. Just not comfortable with that!
Two 1950s:
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dsacton
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04-03-14 08:16 PM - Post#2441803    

Sure wish I could be there to see you start it! What fun!

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04-03-14 11:04 PM - Post#2441814    

Sounds like you are making great progress. Be sure to wear your respirator when you are dealing with those mouse nests. I caught hantavirus that way 15 years ago...its no fun.
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04-04-14 11:40 AM - Post#2441921    

It's been a great week; getting the car back on Monday after 16 years apart! Then, getting it started today, EXACTLY 16 years and ONE DAY after selling it. I did the shop manual tune up routine all the way up to the point where you have to "start the car"...and thought, well, here goes nothing! I did run two compression tests this morning, dry and wet. Bad news is:

Dry: Wet:
#1=70 #1=110
#2=80 #2=105
#3=70 #3=95
#4=110 #4=90 (How is this possible?)
#5=75 #5=110
#6=120 #6=120

All the previous owner's plugs, plug wires, coil, cap, rotor, and condenser are in great shape. They gave me better spark than the 2nd timer did for a few months. I did manage to push some mouse nest out the flywheel inspection window. I was not able to get the muffler off, but we do have some exhaust showing. I'm going to try again tomorrow to get that off. I sheared off all four clamp bolts and slugged it with a sledge until the head came off the hammer, but no dice. And no it doesn't look welded together. I need to hit it with PB Blaster and try to twist it tomorrow using a pry bar. The carb is actually doing ok as warped as it is. I did a double gasket and compensated the float settings 1/32nd" for the extra gasket. There is a mystery hole drilled in the top of the carb near the accelerator pump well. Is that stock or did a lead plug fall out? I put a piece of clear tape over it for now to keep the dust out. It looked like the Sahara Desert in the float bowl when I opened it this week. There was actually a spider nest inside it too! Weird... Also, heat riser spring is gone, so I have that flapper wedged open with a screw driver. The first start was with no choke at all--we forgot to choke it that time! The heat spacer under carb is my tried and true home made oak spacer I made last year for the pace car gig. Anyway, just wanted to get caught up with you guys. I still would like to do a build thread so I don't have to keep re-posting. Here are my youtube links:

1st Start!!

2nd Start!!
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04-04-14 11:42 AM - Post#2441923    

My 11 year old son was the videographer! Great job kiddo!
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04-04-14 12:01 PM - Post#2441925    

Sounds pretty darn good!!!!! Wouldn't worry to much about those compression tests at this time. After it has been ran a little check them again and they will be more like what you REALLY have. Also see if it is smoking out the tail pipe.
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04-04-14 12:04 PM - Post#2441927    

Oh and a Sawz all will work wonders on getting that muffler off!!!
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04-04-14 12:14 PM - Post#2441928    

Tim, great job and give your son a hug for doing a great job also. It's always a thrill to hear them run and your engine sounded good....Bill
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2ndtime50guy
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04-04-14 12:33 PM - Post#2441929    

Thanks Bob and Bill! I don't have a sawzall, but I do have a 40 year old Craftsman Saber Saw my Dad gave me. Maybe if I put a nice steel cutting blade on that it will work. I do have the receipt for the muffler out of the glove box. Midas did it, so maybe it's stamped together? It's rusty enough now that I should be able to cut through it with a decent blade. The kid has been VERY patient with me this week. It helped that he had a few friends spend the night the last two days. It kept him active and allowed me to do some stuff too!
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04-04-14 12:46 PM - Post#2441934    


Congrats and know your excited! Enjoyed the video and so glad you got your 1st timer back home. Best of luck with everything.
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04-04-14 12:58 PM - Post#2441936    

How exciting for you! Great!
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04-04-14 01:32 PM - Post#2441945    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
There is a mystery hole drilled in the top of the carb near the accelerator pump well. Is that stock or did a lead plug fall out?



From my understanding, that was a GM fix but the reason for it eludes me right now.
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04-04-14 01:55 PM - Post#2441953    

Great news! #4 cylinder may have a sticking valve which would account for the lower pressure on the wet test. Also always a possibility that the compression tester slipped a little.
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04-04-14 04:04 PM - Post#2441976    

Hey aren't Midas mufflers guaranteed for life? Take it to them.
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04-04-14 05:06 PM - Post#2441992    

Outstanding job.You must have some exhaust or it wouldn't run if it was completely plugged.
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04-04-14 05:32 PM - Post#2441999    

It warms my heart to hear this started up after so long. Thank you so much for letting us all participate in this occasion.

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2ndtime50guy
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04-04-14 05:49 PM - Post#2442004    

Thank you guys for all letting me share so much! Wow, that would be funny if I could get another muffler from Midas since I still have the receipt! 2Blu, that would be great news! I hope I don't have to tear the whole engine apart too soon. Were you guys saying they usually need rebuilt around 50,000 miles? It's at 44,000 right now. If I could hold off a few years that would be great! I'd be fine with doing a head rebuild though, now that I've been through that.
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04-04-14 06:15 PM - Post#2442012    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
There is a mystery hole drilled in the top of the carb near the accelerator pump well. Is that stock or did a lead plug fall out?



Here is the page of the Rochester Model B booklet that covers the hole that I think you found in your carb:



And here is the link to the entire booket:

http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/booklets/50mt...
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04-04-14 06:18 PM - Post#2442014    

Ah, thanks Sir! I thought I had seen something somewhere, but didn't even notice it until I was done reassembling it. Sure seems like that will let in a lot of road dirt!
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04-04-14 06:54 PM - Post#2442019    

I got a Midas muffler for my daily driver, about 15 years ago. I replaced it twice, "free" (actually, about 50 bucks. I'm not sure why I had to pay that.) On the 3rd time, they refused. It turns out that "Lifetime" doesn't mean YOUR lifetime, it means the expected lifetime of the product!
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04-04-14 06:55 PM - Post#2442021    

great!!

seem to run not too bad at all!!!

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04-04-14 08:28 PM - Post#2442032    

Congrats to you, 1st. Timer, and the videographer! Great job all around.
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04-05-14 06:27 PM - Post#2442290    

Thanks guys. I am going to just keep adding to this thread in the hopes that Tony can migrate it over to the Build Forum and this can be my build post.

Today was highly productive. I got up early and put in about 4 hours so I could spend the rest of the day with my son before Spring Break ends. Here's what I did:

1. Pulled fuel tank--will be thrown away.
2. Pulled all wheels and drums to remove all brakes and cylinders. All four wheels were locked up and the car was impossible to move around the driveway by hand. I fear that the cylinders may be so pitted inside that they can't be re-used. All pistons are fused and two cylinders had crystalized on the ends. We'll see how they clean up. Can they be sleeved?
3. Pulled heater core, heat ductwork, and vent duct work. All packed with mouse nests. One half of the heater core case is beyond repair. I haven't taken it apart to inspect the core yet. Fresh air duct work on driver side is in trash--beyond saving and "full of mouse disease" to boot. I'm doing a better job of throwing stuff away on this car if it's not fixable. I kept nearly everything for reference last time and my basement is a mess of broken crap that needs to be pitched or recycled.
4. Bleached steering wheel, and inner fenders due to mouse evidence.
5. Finally freed the rusty clutch head bolts to the dash access panel on the firewall, began cutting out old wiring.
6. I still dread removing the headliner. It has nests above it! I plan to do that when I have two whole days to go slow at it. I'll make a small incision, "liposuction" with a vacuum, make another incision, lyposuck, etc. There is no way I'm pulling that thing down while it's still bulging with nests. My pics from today are not really interesting or worth sharing. Thanks for reading!
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04-05-14 06:32 PM - Post#2442292    

I would like to see the bulging with nests headliner!!! LOL
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04-05-14 06:50 PM - Post#2442299    

Oh, and I made some disappointing discoveries. Both points where the cowl meets the frame are more than 50% rusted away and today I saw something I thought I'd never see on one of these cars. Behind the front driver side wheel I found a spot where rust has eaten a small whole in the chassis. I think that can be fixed by welding in a 1/4 steel patch. It's only about the size of a nickel and it's in the center of the beam, away from the edges. I am still very encouraged about the condition of this car, considering how long it sat in the weather. I would feel even better if I pulled the front seat tomorrow and didn't find a nest in EVERY spring, lol.
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04-05-14 11:39 PM - Post#2442340    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
All four wheels were locked up and the car was impossible to move around the driveway by hand.


How did you manage to tow the car home if the wheels were locked up?

Ray
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04-06-14 06:02 AM - Post#2442378    

Well, maybe locked up isn't the right word. More like brakes "dragging so hard that one medium size guy and one pretty darn husky fella--my neighbor--couldn't barely push the car in the driveway". The three times it rolled up to that point were: pulled by a tractor, wenched by a rollback truck, towed 15 feet forward in my driveway by the second timer and some tow cable. Sorry for the confusion!
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04-06-14 10:35 AM - Post#2442431    

Got it now. Thank you for clarifying.

Are you going to stay with the stock Huck brakes or replace them with Bendix?

Ray
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04-06-14 12:53 PM - Post#2442462    

The mouse stuff you are finding can be a real hazard to your health, ask Angie Weaver.

I hope you are wearing an appropriate mask or masks ..... for you and your son.

Be careful out there!
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04-06-14 01:47 PM - Post#2442475    

  • raycow Said:
Got it now. Thank you for clarifying.

Are you going to stay with the stock Huck brakes or replace them with Bendix?

Ray



I'm not sure. How difficult is the switch? I think I read that the Bendix are better. Is that the case?
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04-06-14 01:56 PM - Post#2442477    

  • bobg1951chevy Said:
The mouse stuff you are finding can be a real hazard to your health, ask Angie Weaver.

I hope you are wearing an appropriate mask or masks ..... for you and your son.

Be careful out there!



Definitely yes on that Bob! My son is actually not helping me with the car. He just video'd the engine start from a few feet away. I've been in a mask most of the time. I'm happy to announce that I got the headliner, front seat, windlaces, dash wiring, switches, wiper motor, and heater blower out today! I had the mask on for about 6 hours today. All the bad stuff is disposed of.

Best part today: I found my spare car key from college under the seat and it was on a key ring from an antique store that my "then fiancée" and I stopped at every time we went to visit her folks. And now she's been my wife for 18 years. It's the small things in life!
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04-06-14 05:21 PM - Post#2442532    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
How difficult is the switch? I think I read that the Bendix are better. Is that the case?


The Bendix brakes offer greatly improved stopping power. Replacement parts for them are easier to find and are a fraction of the price of the Huck parts.

Swapping is very easy. The front backing plates are a straight bolt-on. The rears need minor work on the holes where they bolt to the axle housing.

Ray
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04-06-14 07:43 PM - Post#2442565    

I am so happy for you. Thats great. Yeah, mice are deadly. I'm even scared of the little suckers now. Ugh.

You have had very productive week. Great job. Let us know what happens at midas....that would be so cool. I also really enjoyed the key story.
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04-07-14 02:53 AM - Post#2442595    

If the Midas invoice is not in your name; then warrantee is now void.
Warranted for as long as you own the vehicle.
You may get away with pretending to be the PO; but that is a form of fraud, so be careful.

Dan.
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04-07-14 04:31 AM - Post#2442606    

  • Bob_Hayden Said:
I would like to see the bulging with nests headliner!!! LOL


I don't know about where the car is located but having one in Montana loaded with mice nests is a chance for exposure to the Hanta Virus. Not good stuff.
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04-07-14 12:41 PM - Post#2442716    

I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway! Also, I don't plan on going to Midas for any freebies. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. Thanks for always looking out for me guys.
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04-07-14 02:08 PM - Post#2442741    

"I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!"

Heck, I remember dressing that way when I dated a certain girl in college.

Before anyone says it .... yes, there were colleges back then.
Bob G.

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04-07-14 02:15 PM - Post#2442743    

How many years are you celebrating this year?
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04-07-14 02:24 PM - Post#2442747    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
How many years are you celebrating this year?




Years of what?
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04-07-14 03:02 PM - Post#2442759    

Marriage, I assumed you married your college sweetheart.
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04-07-14 03:06 PM - Post#2442761    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
Marriage, I assumed you married your college sweetheart.



No ..... the one in college was "no ones sweetheart".
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04-07-14 03:37 PM - Post#2442768    

Ah, I guess I missed the joke you were making. Now I get it!
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04-07-14 03:44 PM - Post#2442770    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
Ah, I guess I missed the joke you were making. Now I get it!



Ah, OK. Guess the joke wasn't funny .. but I do remember that girl.
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04-07-14 04:00 PM - Post#2442774    

I was seeing it from the other angle, that she was the gal who ended up marrying you, despite all the time you spent with cars or something to that effect. Last summer when I was flushing rust out of the water jacket and cleaning out the oil pan, I had a face only a wife could love! I'll see if I can did up that pic. It's funny!
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04-07-14 09:12 PM - Post#2442827    

I can relate. It was dead of winter when I was working on mine so I had on my military surplus hat with ear flaps....and I would look in the mirror and see this black face, white eyes where my goggles were and hair all messed up fom that hat. I was quite a site. But hey, thats me.

Glad to hear you are taking precautions. Hantavirus does really suck. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

On the midas thing, thats good to hear. I always think honesty is best. If it were in your name and yoou explained it honestly and they replaced it then I would consider it ok...anything else is dishonest.

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04-08-14 02:45 AM - Post#2442843    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!



What about disposable coveralls; I use them here at the shop when I know I'm getting into something really grimy. They're pretty durable and there's a built in hoodie; to stop crap from going down your back.
Most automotive parts stores sell them.

Dan
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04-08-14 05:16 AM - Post#2442880    

  • bobg1951chevy Said:
"I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!"

Heck, I remember dressing that way when I dated a certain girl in college.

Before anyone says it .... yes, there were colleges back then.


I remember both, girls and I had heard about colleges but never seen one!
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04-10-14 05:06 PM - Post#2443555    

Hi guys! I can't seem to get the 1st timer to start now. When I did get it to start last week, I noticed that the rotor pointed to about 7 o'clock for the U/C mark and the octane selector was advanced (not by me) about as far as it could be--like ten degrees or whatever. In order to get it to "catch" on start up I had to loosen the distributor clamp and advance the distributor as far as possible (until the grease cap was hitting the vacuum advance and couldn't advance any further). Is it possible that my distributor is inserted one or two teeth off on the gear?

Also, possibly due to poor judgement on my part, I was running the original 6 volt coil via a new ballast resistor I installed on the firewall. Is it possible that I was only able to get the car started twice in this set up, and have now burnt up the coil if it's internally resisted instead of externally? I know these are kind of dumb questions, and that I've already been through all this before, but now I'm second guessing everything I've ever learned and I feel I have forgotten something in the past two years. I've added a new distributor cap, a new condenser, new points, and a new rotor to the mix. I've tested the coil and the condenser using instructions given me here. I get a bright test light on both the positive and negative terminals of the coil with the points open, no light on the positive and a dim light on the negative with the points closed, and when I disconnect the coil wire to the center of the cap, I get a nice spark between the points when I flick them open with a non-metallic object, in this case a plastic ball point pen cap. All of my plug wires test good for continuity, my plugs are clean and gapped at .035, and my battery is freshly charged and borrowed from the 2nd timer. I have a temporary start switch which is wired to the positive terminal (or hot terminal) on the solenoid (where the positive battery cable attaches) and the other end clips onto the small starter switch terminal. I also have my coil wire to the ballast resistor wired onto the same large terminal of the solenoid with the positive battery cable. I will upload a diagram of my temporary ignition harness for you to inspect. Somehow this all worked twice and now it doesn't. And to top things off, now my starter makes that horrible grinding sound about 40% of the time. Gosh I feel like a dumby all over again. Sorry to be a bother. I've been afraid to ask all these questions for the past three days, but I'm at a loss now.

Here is my diagram:

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04-10-14 06:10 PM - Post#2443577    

My question is 'why is there a ballast resistor there, on a 6 volt system"?
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04-10-14 08:03 PM - Post#2443591    

Could 2ndtime be running a 12V battery? If yes, that could explain why he hotwired the coil direct to the solenoid - so the rest of the car doesn't get 12V. If no, that could explain why the engine isn't starting.

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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443635    

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.
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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443636    

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.
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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443633    

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.
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04-11-14 02:12 AM - Post#2443634    

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.
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04-11-14 02:17 AM - Post#2443637    

Sorry that posted 4 times guys. My internet was acting like it was locked up and I didn't want to lose my typing. Oops...COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!
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04-11-14 04:16 AM - Post#2443646    

With everything that you said you did; did I miss where you said you checked for spark at the coil wire and or the spark plug wire(s)?
If you haven't, pull the coil wire out of the cap; hold the wire end approx 1/8" way from the engine block and then crank the engine. You should have a fairly strong spark. If so, re-install coil wire and try the same with the spark plug wires at the spark plug end. Stuff a screw driver in the end of the wire and then hold the driver close to the engine. Again you should have spark; but maybe not quite as strong as the coil wire. This is due to the air gap between the dist. cap & rotor.
If you're afraid of getting zapped; you can buy a spark tested at most any parts store.



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04-11-14 05:48 AM - Post#2443665    

If the car ran several times OK, it is not the timing now.

Follow Dan's thinking.
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04-11-14 06:16 AM - Post#2443670    

Thanks everyone! I will give that shot tomorrow afternoon and let you know how it turns out!
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04-11-14 07:03 PM - Post#2443817    

You may want to check that little insulator where the wire bolts to the dist....mine was broken and black taped....looked fine and my cousin said it ran like that....but I had to change it to get mine to fire. Even after I was told to look at it by experts here I almost missed it because it was so nicely wrapped with the black tape I thought it was ok....then I looked closer with a light and saw the line of the tape.
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04-11-14 07:22 PM - Post#2443819    

LOL Angie, He nows about that!!!! Bet that is the first thing he checked!! LOL LOL
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04-12-14 03:06 AM - Post#2443849    

That was the first thing I checked because it happened on the 2nd timer too! Bob is the guy who made the discovery...over the phone, no less!
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04-12-14 06:59 AM - Post#2443884    

Lol, disregard that then. Electrical gremlins.....arrrgh. Good luck figuring it out.
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04-12-14 02:52 PM - Post#2443995    

GREAT NEWS! I bought a new 12V External Resistor coil (NAPA ECH IC10--like I have on 2nd timer) and six new AC Delco R45 Plugs. The coil to cap wire tested ok but looked ratty, so I put on my old one from the 2nd timer and we suddenly had excellent spark! BUT, the car still wouldn't start. So, I put the octane selector back to ADVANCED Ten Degrees (maybe a little more) and now SHE TURNS OVER EASY EVERY TIME! Boom! We barely even have to crank her. AND, we got her to run for about 30 seconds at a good idle and she sounds BETTER than 2nd timer...like 52,000 miles younger/better!! Now she just needs a new fuel line and fuel pump. I blew all the crap out of the fuel line back to where the tank is now gone, clamped on some leftover fuel hose from 2nd timer, and plugged her into a gas can. The result: fuel pump is dead as a door nail. It couldn't pull my finger for a fart joke, so to speak. Great day! All this on top of my advanced band getting a Gold rating at contest this morning and my intermediate band getting Gold last night. God is good (and so is my wife for letting me buy some parts today!)

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04-12-14 07:23 PM - Post#2444051    

Glad you got her running Tim!!!! I am going to get over there this summer sometime and see 1st Timer!!!
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04-13-14 05:29 AM - Post#2444116    

That would be outstanding Bob!
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04-13-14 01:31 PM - Post#2444267    

It was another productive day. Here's what I got done:
1. Removed firewall insulation panel; stripped it of horse hair, saved for restoration later--it's in good shape. I did make a sacrificial cut in it so that I didn't have to remove the steering column first, but it's neatly done.
2. Removed all other dash components, gauges, stainless.
3. Removed pedals, Master Cylinder, unhooked Parking Brake Lever. Unhooked parking brake cables at front pivot point.
4. The MC and the parking brake lever were totally seized. The MC may be beyond repair inside, but the parking lever works very well when unhooked from the pivot point. So the pivot point is seized. That's also where the toe kick to chassis brace under the hood is rusting away more than 75%, so I wonder if this could have caused it to bind!
5. I bleached the entire interior, including walls, floor, ceiling, inside doors.
6. This will be repeated a few more times.

I'm still hoping Tony can make this my build thread and migrate it over.

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04-13-14 05:06 PM - Post#2444345    

Watch out for that bleach also. Do not breath it. In our first house it had some mold in one of the closets. I was cleaning with bleach to kill it and got real woozy. That was before I knew the hazards of bleach.
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04-13-14 05:24 PM - Post#2444353    

Yes Sir! I was careful with that too. I measure it out with a measuring cup and add the water so that it's exactly 1:10 solution. I then open the doors on both sides so there is ventilation and stand out side the car as much as I can. I can't wait for the day when I feel safe working in the car without a respirator mask on. I even wear it when I'm under it for fear of what may be falling down on me. I got all my components laid out on a table in the basement now so they can also have a shot of bleach; can't be too careful. The worst piece is the inside of the glove box door; it smells like pee from a distance. I hit it with the bleach the first day, but it needs more and a light scrubbing outdoors in full respirator gear, goggles, and rubber gloves! I'm glad to know that most of the infectious stuff (cloth and cardboard) has been hauled away to the landfill. That's comforting, though I know my job isn't done yet!
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04-13-14 08:28 PM - Post#2444395    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
It was another productive day. Here's what I got done:
1. Removed firewall insulation panel; stripped it of horse hair, saved for restoration later--it's in good shape. I did make a sacrificial cut in it so that I didn't have to remove the steering column first, but it's neatly done.
2. Removed all other dash components, gauges, stainless.
3. Removed pedals, Master Cylinder, unhooked Parking Brake Lever. Unhooked parking brake cables at front pivot point.
4. The MC and the parking brake lever were totally seized. The MC may be beyond repair inside, but the parking lever works very well when unhooked from the pivot point. So the pivot point is seized. That's also where the toe kick to chassis brace under the hood is rusting away more than 75%, so I wonder if this could have caused it to bind!
5. I bleached the entire interior, including walls, floor, ceiling, inside doors.
6. This will be repeated a few more times.

I'm still hoping Tony can make this my build thread and migrate it over.

Murph



Send Tony a PM, with your request.

I hope you're bagging and tagging your pieces, parts, nuts and bolts, as you go through this process of disassembly.
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04-14-14 07:30 AM - Post#2444484    

  • bobg1951chevy Said:
  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
It was another productive day. Here's what I got done:
1. Removed firewall insulation panel; stripped it of horse hair, saved for restoration later--it's in good shape. I did make a sacrificial cut in it so that I didn't have to remove the steering column first, but it's neatly done.
2. Removed all other dash components, gauges, stainless.
3. Removed pedals, Master Cylinder, unhooked Parking Brake Lever. Unhooked parking brake cables at front pivot point.
4. The MC and the parking brake lever were totally seized. The MC may be beyond repair inside, but the parking lever works very well when unhooked from the pivot point. So the pivot point is seized. That's also where the toe kick to chassis brace under the hood is rusting away more than 75%, so I wonder if this could have caused it to bind!
5. I bleached the entire interior, including walls, floor, ceiling, inside doors.
6. This will be repeated a few more times.

I'm still hoping Tony can make this my build thread and migrate it over.

Murph



Send Tony a PM, with your request.

I hope you're bagging and tagging your pieces, parts, nuts and bolts, as you go through this process of disassembly.




Will do! And yes, that's what I'm doing. The neat thing is that I can tell you where each nut and bolt goes by sight now! And, I can tell which screws are original and which are replacements in a few instances.
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04-14-14 08:33 AM - Post#2444495    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
  • bobg1951chevy Said:
  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
It was another productive day. Here's what I got done:
1. Removed firewall insulation panel; stripped it of horse hair, saved for restoration later--it's in good shape. I did make a sacrificial cut in it so that I didn't have to remove the steering column first, but it's neatly done.
2. Removed all other dash components, gauges, stainless.
3. Removed pedals, Master Cylinder, unhooked Parking Brake Lever. Unhooked parking brake cables at front pivot point.
4. The MC and the parking brake lever were totally seized. The MC may be beyond repair inside, but the parking lever works very well when unhooked from the pivot point. So the pivot point is seized. That's also where the toe kick to chassis brace under the hood is rusting away more than 75%, so I wonder if this could have caused it to bind!
5. I bleached the entire interior, including walls, floor, ceiling, inside doors.
6. This will be repeated a few more times.

I'm still hoping Tony can make this my build thread and migrate it over.

Murph



Send Tony a PM, with your request.

I hope you're bagging and tagging your pieces, parts, nuts and bolts, as you go through this process of disassembly.




Will do! And yes, that's what I'm doing. The neat thing is that I can tell you where each nut and bolt goes by sight now! And, I can tell which screws are original and which are replacements in a few instances.


You may know that now but you will find memory to be a slippery slope indeed. A freind restoring a 28 Chevrolet initially took it apart about 13 years ago and then got on to other things. Boy did he wish he had taken photos.
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04-14-14 09:43 AM - Post#2444515    

  • 2blu52 Said:
  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
  • bobg1951chevy Said:
  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
It was another productive day. Here's what I got done:
1. Removed firewall insulation panel; stripped it of horse hair, saved for restoration later--it's in good shape. I did make a sacrificial cut in it so that I didn't have to remove the steering column first, but it's neatly done.
2. Removed all other dash components, gauges, stainless.
3. Removed pedals, Master Cylinder, unhooked Parking Brake Lever. Unhooked parking brake cables at front pivot point.
4. The MC and the parking brake lever were totally seized. The MC may be beyond repair inside, but the parking lever works very well when unhooked from the pivot point. So the pivot point is seized. That's also where the toe kick to chassis brace under the hood is rusting away more than 75%, so I wonder if this could have caused it to bind!
5. I bleached the entire interior, including walls, floor, ceiling, inside doors.
6. This will be repeated a few more times.

I'm still hoping Tony can make this my build thread and migrate it over.

Murph



Send Tony a PM, with your request.

I hope you're bagging and tagging your pieces, parts, nuts and bolts, as you go through this process of disassembly.




Will do! And yes, that's what I'm doing. The neat thing is that I can tell you where each nut and bolt goes by sight now! And, I can tell which screws are original and which are replacements in a few instances.


You may know that now but you will find memory to be a slippery slope indeed. A freind restoring a 28 Chevrolet initially took it apart about 13 years ago and then got on to other things. Boy did he wish he had taken photos.



Memory ..... what memory?
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04-14-14 12:26 PM - Post#2444544    

On one forum, someone suggested turning on a video camera as you are taking stuff apart and talk through what you are doing. I bagged and tagged but wish I had at times taken more photos and documented things better than what I did.

I also saw a thread somewhere and the guy had bagged stuff and stapled the bags to the side of his garage. How many times I wished I had used a better system of filing my bags of parts so I could find the ones I needed when I needed them. I probably spent as many hours looking for bags of parts as I did actually installing those parts!

One member here (Kensluys) also made detailed diagrams of how parts went together…saved my but several times!
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04-14-14 12:34 PM - Post#2444548    

Even a picture isn't good enough for my memory. I bag and tag, take the pictures, and then type text describing why the picture is significant. Even then I often miss it.

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04-14-14 12:45 PM - Post#2444553    

Yep, all bagged and tagged. Reference photos too! The trick now is keeping car parts for the two cars separate! Everything additionally has to be labeled 1st Timer or 2nd Timer, although a lot of 2nd timer has been put back already. I have a pretty good system. I'll try to take some pics later.
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06-20-14 05:25 PM - Post#2463088    

Sorry no updates recently. I've been real busy though. Here's what we've done so far in June:
1. I was able to get the parking brakes un-seized and working really smoothly:

2. Here's a little leverage trick I figured out to get the cables moving:

3. I made new brake lines out of Nickle Copper:

4. I laid out all the parts and cleaned them up one wheel at a time; here is a BEFORE pic:

5. Here is an AFTER pic; all brakes got new shoes too! Thanks guys for the donor cylinders and parts!

6. Here is my part layout prior to assembly:

7. We had to solder a new T onto the old T for use as a bracket (the old one was beyond repair and the new T didn't have the mounting hole or that shape):

8. Rebuilt the rears:

9. Rebuilt the fronts and cleaned and repacked the bearings:

10. Installed a new fuel pump, set the timing, temporary gas tank in trunk, new upper radiator hose, thermostat valve, gasket, and valve cover gasket:

11. Adjusted the new shoes, bled the brakes, tested in driveway, and drove her out front for a first drive around the block:

12. 2nd Timer cruised by an OLD gas station and stopped for a pic!

13. 2nd Timer is temporarily getting 1st Timer's bypass oil filter canister, freshly repainted, new hoses, and new filter:

14. My Mom and Dad came to visit from Florida bearing gifts: All my Dad's old welding stuff!! Gonna learn to use the torch in a few weeks and start the rocker panel replacement on 2nd timer!

15. 2nd Timer went out for a photo shoot with an old mining dragline that is being scrapped near us this month:


16. Off topic, but here is the "Boom Drop" on the same machine a few days later. We were lucky to get an authorized visit just in time before the demolition began:

Needless to say, it has been a terribly busy month considering school didn't get out until the 6th and I just had Band Camp #1 from the 16th to the 19th.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST: HERE IS A VIDEO MY WIFE SHOT OF 1ST TIMER'S 1ST DRIVE IN 21 YEARS; WOO-HOO!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFyqOMmwqzU&a mp;fe...
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06-20-14 07:15 PM - Post#2463112    

Great progress. Your attention to detail is good.

Keep up the good work!
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06-21-14 04:42 AM - Post#2463174    

Thanks Bob!
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06-21-14 04:52 AM - Post#2463177    

Good to see things worked out for you on the brakes!
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06-21-14 05:04 AM - Post#2463180    

Thanks man! Just getting ready to send you a PM!
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01-10-16 03:33 PM - Post#2601200    

Hi Guys! Lots of updates coming starting this week. After watching my first-timer '50 from high school sit in the driveway largely untouched for the past year and waiting for the day that we can buy another house with a garage...I've decided to proceed FULL STEAM AHEAD. WITH or WITHOUT a garage! I've tried to limit my big projects to the summer, but alas, those days of summer fly by way too fast. Plus, I have a team of 3-4 students at my school that are dying to work on the car...for free. And they are willing to come over most any time. So, today my build thread finally begins in earnest. We're gonna pull the front end off and the engine out clean, paint, and rebuild everything that comes apart, and next year we hope to be in the middle of the car, doing rocker panels, floor pans, and door repair kits. And then hopefully, sometime next year, we'll move, the car will be in a garage, and once all the new metal is all roughed in, we can lift the car off the frame and do it right. Wish us patience and good fortune!
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01-10-16 06:56 PM - Post#2601234    

Patience and good fortune my Friend!!! Try to stay warm!!! Keep the hot chocolate coming for the helpers!!! LOL LOL
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01-11-16 04:23 PM - Post#2601437    

Will do Bob! I've pulled the battery and tray, water pump, fan, outlet, radiator and hoses, wiring, headlights, ducts, heater core, etc. Next comes the doghouse I'm doing my research in the shop manual for that right now. Monday is President's Day and we hope to have the cherry picker and engine stand here to pull the engine! I was so excited to start work on this car again that I couldn't sleep a wink last night. To me, that's what it is all about. Having fun!
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01-12-16 06:59 PM - Post#2601697    

Sorry I haven't been getting any pics up yet, but I have managed to squeeze 1-2 hours day after work each day starting this past Sunday. Here is where we're at:





As you can see, I've pulled the radiator, grill, headlights and a bunch of little stuff. I've also been reading the shop manual and learning the locations of all the bolts. I want to lift the front end off in one piece (minus the grill) and leave it on the back porch for a few days. Not having a garage, I want to have my fellas remove all the paint rust and dirt while it's still assembled so that I can get better pictures of how things are put together, maybe even scribing some marks here and there to check alignment later. Once everything is thoroughly studied, photographed, and diagrammed, then we'll slowy take things apart, labeling bolts, etc. After that, all the parts will be thoroughly cleaned further and primed with epoxy primer, and then stored indoors in the basement. You can see in the 2nd pic how bad the driver side is. It needs new inner and outer rockers, all new floor brace ends, floors in front, kick plates, rear quarters, trunk pan, and trunk panel. I think some the wheel well on the rear driver side will have to be made by hand although they just started making one of those pieces recently. Long road ahead, but I'm up for the challenge!
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01-13-16 03:56 PM - Post#2601851    

Another productive 4-5:30 on the car today. That's all I can do without a garage and it only being 27 degrees out lol. Today I removed the fender to cowl baffles in back. Most of the bolts broke off, but most of the screws came out nice and easy. I found a section that had undercoating falling off and wa-la: I now have a swatch of factory paint to match to!! There is also a pic of how bad the rockers, front floor, and floor brace ends are.







Next off will be the front bumper and hood. Sunday the doghouse may come off, and Monday the engine might come out!
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01-13-16 04:03 PM - Post#2601853    

The baffles seem to be good enough to re-use after they are wire wheeled. The under side rock guards that sit on a horizontal angle and keep junk from going between the firewall and the baffles are both rusted beyond repair.
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01-13-16 05:26 PM - Post#2601881    

Keep the good job! thumbs up for saving her!

thanks for pictures.

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01-15-16 05:45 AM - Post#2602231    

Looking good Tim!!!!! Keep after it!!!! Don't you love Indiana weather??? 1 degree one day and 50 the next!!!! LOL LOL
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01-16-16 07:40 PM - Post#2602616    

Yes Bob, I'm becoming an all weather mechanic! Today I took off the air filter, carb, manifold, exhaust, etc., separated the drive shaft from the transmission and we're almost ready to ull the motor and front end Monday. Cherry picker gets delivered tomorrow!
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01-16-16 08:04 PM - Post#2602620    

Not much to see, but here are some pics. All prepped and ready to go.



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01-17-16 06:14 AM - Post#2602678    

I don't know if many are reading this, but I'm going to try and post a lot more pictures as things progress. I became a supporting member this morning so that I can post pictures faster and more easily. That should take effect in a few days once the admins see my paypal notice. It sure is nice to finally be starting work on this car and to have this forum for the friendships and expertise!
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01-17-16 08:04 AM - Post#2602698    

I can't wait to see the progress. I also admire your fortitude in working outside in the winter.
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01-18-16 04:57 AM - Post#2602932    

Thank you Bill! Fortunately, we decided not to work on it today. It's supposed to get down to 2 degrees this morning with a pretty bad wind chill. I didn't want anyone getting frost bite helping me on the car. I may go ahead and do some stuff alone, but only with frequent warming breaks. Or I may just clean the basement to receive all these parts later! Have a good day and stay warm.
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01-18-16 12:28 PM - Post#2603034    

I mean no offense, but why are you punishing yourself by working on that car outside (exposed to the brutal elements) in a USA Midwestern winter
No shelter ?
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01-18-16 12:52 PM - Post#2603043    

It's no punishment! I'm just excited to finally be working on it and I don't have a garage. I actually worked alone today and did quite a bit. The only help I needed was when a friend came over for a few minutes to help lift off the doghouse. I wore double and triple layers and was actually quite comfortable. Now to find some new cowl supports...

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01-18-16 01:04 PM - Post#2603048    

I understand the motivation, but I am facing the similar Midwestern temps that suck for metal dis-assembly ( 9am this morning was -10F windchill)

Just my thoughts: but since you have FREE labor (helpers) why not simply put an old Craigslist greenhouse frame/cover over the car for comfort OR make a simple shelter over the car ?
Free labor is worth about 10$-per-man-hour for me, and it is one of the hardest things to find when working on an old car.
Simple shelters , and available free labor, can really move your job at an exponential rate to completion.
Add a Burning barrel and hot dogs on a stick and it could work miracles on getting your job moved rapidly forwards.

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01-20-16 01:26 PM - Post#2603518    

I'll see what I can do in that regard. On another note, I ordered some reclaimed cowl support legs from a scrap yard in Minnesota today. I can't wait to get those rusted out pieces replaced!
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01-22-16 03:19 PM - Post#2603891    

Tomorrow is the big day. We're pulling the engine at 8am. The head and block will get dismantled so we can take them to a shop along with the crankshaft for hot tanking, testing, honing, and crank polishing, and replacement of warn valve guides. Now the fun begins!
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01-23-16 09:57 AM - Post#2604020    

Best of luck with your engine !
If your engine is a stock 1950, the #1st step is to preserve the condition of the oil pan and big connecting end rod "dippers". Bends (or dinks) now can cause failure later.
If your "shop" is experienced in these engines they should be able to give you valuable feedback in the form of written down PRECISE RECORDED MEASUREMENTS as they disassemble it.
Every step & action on a antique engine rebuild should be based on experience ... and good numbers.

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01-23-16 01:42 PM - Post#2604067    

It was a good day, and hey, we even built a fire nearby for breaks! Engine came out fine, no dings in oil pan, lowers works bolted to a stand, oil pump, harmonic balancer, timing cover and camshaft removed. Lower works not dismantled. Bearings still shimmed, so that seems good. Camshaft nice and shiny. Bend over Tabs on flywheel bolts were pretty boogered up, so I wonder if the engine had been rebuilt before we bought it the 1st time in 1985. I'm on my phone, but I'll try to add a pic...
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01-23-16 02:05 PM - Post#2604070    

Trying again...

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01-26-16 05:56 AM - Post#2604557    

Coming along very well!!!! Keep up the good work!!!!
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01-27-16 02:25 PM - Post#2604811    

Thanks Bob. Today i did a little prep work in anticipation of my new cowl braces arriving. I took out the shifter and box and removed the cowl brace bolts and broke off the ends of the rusty braces with my bare hands. Good news is frame is nice and solid under those thanks to good undercoating. I even found factory frame paint!! I'll try to add some pics.
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01-27-16 04:50 PM - Post#2604838    

Looks like some serious rust repair is in your future. Good luck and keep posting pictures.
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01-28-16 03:44 AM - Post#2604924    

Thanks, it's good to finally be workinf on this one!
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01-31-16 01:06 PM - Post#2605669    

It's been a good week. The engine is dismantled and ready to go to the machine shop. Today, I did some cleaning on the front suspension so that I can eventually get it apart, do a rebuild kit, maybe some Fatman dropped uprights, and repaint with either Master Series or POR-15. My goal today was to knock off enough crud that it would allow penetrating oil down into all the nuts and bolts. I only got one side done today, but I was pleased with the results.

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01-31-16 01:10 PM - Post#2605670    

Here is a pick of the passenger side spindle so you can see how much crud I removed on the driver side...

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02-05-16 06:52 PM - Post#2606933    

Gitten er done!!!!! Good job Tim!!!!
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02-06-16 08:03 AM - Post#2607012    

Congrats on getting back the Chevy. Good job on your dream car.
It looks like you are having lots of fun!
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02-07-16 08:21 AM - Post#2607218    

Thanks for showing your progress. Those ¨beast¨ need guys like you to start a new life!

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02-08-16 01:39 PM - Post#2607526    

Thanks guys! Progress will be a little slow from time to time, but hopefully you'll see an exciting update soon. This weekend is a four day weekend for my school district, so I have lot planned.

Friday: Finally drop off engine at machine shop?
Saturday: Crib up front end on blocks, remove front suspension, then dismantle for cleaning and inspection
Sunday: Get my lazy butt to church, then wire wheel front chassis, start cleaning cross member, etc.
Monday: Catch up day if I run behind...
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02-11-16 01:30 PM - Post#2608157    

I'm excited. Work resumes tomorrow. Today I found a small shop that will sandblast my crossmember, control arms, and coil springs for between $25-$50. I went with the front end rebuild kit from Filling Station and it arrives Wednesday. My firewall brackets are still on "back order" from RPM in Minnesota, and I priced POR-15 and Master Series at a few shops in town today. I can't wait to upload some progress pics!
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02-11-16 04:05 PM - Post#2608189    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
Today I found a small shop that will sandblast my crossmember, control arms, and coil springs for between $25-$50.


In case you have already figured this out, I apologize for the possible insult.

When you get the control arms and uprights blasted, leave the bushings in. For the same reason, leave the upper inner shafts in the crossmember. I would advise against blasting the spindles unless you have some way of protecting the threads and the bearing seating surfaces.

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02-11-16 07:01 PM - Post#2608246    

No apology necessary Sir! I really appreciate you telling me this, for I would not have thought of this on my own. So what you're saying is to dismantle to get the control arms and coil springs free, put all the old bushings and pins back in (they're replaced by the kit anyway!), and perhaps keep the spindles and uprights here at home and clean them by hand with solvents so the blaster doesn't hurt the bearing surfaces and threads? I think I'll send in the brake drum backing plates too but not the drums, wheel cylinders, or small parts. Does that sound like a plan? I do appreciate all the help you guys give me!
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02-12-16 01:58 PM - Post#2608371    

Pretty good day. I got one side of the front suspension dismantled and I'll post pics later tonight. Question: Although I am getting a rebuild kit, is it really necessary to remove the upper inner control arm shaft if it is nice and tight and the threads aren't worn? Following the front suspension rebuild sticky by DZAUTO, there is no slop in the welded in bearings. They have been greased well for 65 years. I hate to disturb something that looks to be fine the way it is. As mentioned above, I could leave the old bearing caps on over the threads when I take it to the sand blaster and then replace just those during reassembly. Just a thought. Again, pics later!
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02-12-16 04:52 PM - Post#2608397    

Yes, it will be fine if you screw the bushings back onto the upper shafts to protect the threads. However, you will also want those same bushings in the control arms when they are blasted, to protect the threads there.

The same goes for the outers. You can switch them between the control arms and the uprights at the appropriate times. Unfortunately, I can't think of any easy way to protect the spindles for blasting.

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02-13-16 05:27 AM - Post#2608461    

I give you credit, you have determination, but you do need some shelter. Pep Boys puts these on sale now and then, cheap. Visqueen on the sides and a propane torpedo would make to job easier.

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02-13-16 02:44 PM - Post#2608580    

Thanks Tommy. Today was pretty brutal. I'll look into one of these tents and heaters. Tractor Supply seems to have good prices too. I hate being out in it; it was 10-20 degrees most of the day. I just know that if I wait until it's warm, this car will never get done. I took lots of breaks, one of which was about a two hour break to stop by Tractor Supply for better jack stands (6 ton!) and a stop by my school. Hats off also to Carl Cederholm for telling me my concrete blocks weren't really safe via Facebook!
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02-13-16 02:47 PM - Post#2608582    

Here is my progress from the last two days:

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02-13-16 02:49 PM - Post#2608583    

Last three pics for now:

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02-17-16 04:56 PM - Post#2609619    

Man, I'm pumped! Look what showed up today!!

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02-20-16 02:21 PM - Post#2610236    

It's not done yet, but today I picked up a harbor freight sand blaster for $35 bucks and it does a good job. I'm only about 25% done on the piece.

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02-20-16 04:54 PM - Post#2610274    

Here is a better pic that shows how well the little cheap blaster "can" do. On the right is a control arm I blasted as a test piece. As you can see, their is a light film from condensation in the compressor since it was 70 degrees today, in mid winter. I bought the condensator trap but got home and didn't have the right fittings. Harbor Freight is pretty far from my house, so I decided to go back later. It still did a good job but required rinsing. If you buy their $35 blaster, make sure you cut the hose shorter, keep the unit elevated. and if you use the white play sand (really cheap!) sift it through a window screen first and it won't clog the tip. I learned all of these things and much more from a bunch of guys on youtube that loved the little blaster for the price. I may still pay someone to do the coil springs though, depending on how fast or slow they clean up. All the little nooks and crannies of the cross member are a pain!

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02-21-16 02:00 PM - Post#2610446    

I found that using multiple "rust removal" methods at the same time can be interesting and sometimes move your project much faster. I do like the sand blaster method, and I also try some 'vinegar soaking', and maybe molasses ---- even wrestling with the wire angle grinder brushes can get rust off fast (but its wild, cause you need to handle the tool like it was a rabid weasel ).


So-- have you considered trying electrolysis for some of those cumbersome rusty parts ?
{YouTube is full of vids on the subject)

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02-21-16 02:24 PM - Post#2610457    

Lol, I have thought about that. But, with my inexperience and general safety record, I was afraid I would electrocute myself! I've been using a combination of scrapers, wire brushes, wire wheels, and penetrating oil to get the big stuff off first. Then I use the blaster. Sometimes the air compressor nozzle will break up the stuff in the nooks and crannies too.
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02-21-16 02:40 PM - Post#2610461    

Today was a slow day. All I got done was removing the parking brake linkage (to the frame), the ties rods, idler arm, and drag link (all in one piece), the old vinyl (or asbestos?) wind baffles (from the door to the body) and the pedals. I couldn't get the pitman arm off the shaft of the steering box. I bought a brand new pitman arm puller that is just the right size and I could see it flexing as if the casting was going to snap, so I stopped and soaked it with PB for the next week. Maybe it will have to be heated up? The only other thing I really got done was removing a pound of grease and dirt from the steering box. It was so bad you couldn't see the bolt heads. At least it's better now.
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02-21-16 02:44 PM - Post#2610464    

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Incidentally, I've noticed that the entire steering column is coated in grease and oil. The spot I cleaned off has beautiful factory green! I'm gong to try and clean the rest off with a gentle degreaser (Dawn dish soap) and a cloth and warm water and try to save that paint!

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02-21-16 03:15 PM - Post#2610471    

As a matter of fact, I was curious and had a little day light left, so...here you go! 5 minutes, some soap and water, and here it is! This is the only nice factory paint left on the car, so I'll keep it!

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02-22-16 07:57 PM - Post#2610843    

  • BottleJack Said:


So-- have you considered trying electrolysis for some of those cumbersome rusty parts ?
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If you guys aren't using EvapoRust for safe, non toxic, non scent, and extremely effective rust removal, you are truly missing out. This stuff sells at Harbor Freight for like $20 for a gallon. I know you can buy up to 50 gallon drums at a discount for quantity. I am not exaggerating even a little bit when I say Evaporust is the cat's meow. It works within 24 hours, it is re-usable several times. Just pour the used stuff back in the container for your next project. You can handle it bare handed, it is not flammable or caustic, and your metals will come out rust free. Best product on the market for rust removal. Period, end of discussion. I don't work for them, I just happened to discover them when I was restoring extremely far gone antique tools (to the point where they were almost too far gone to bother to save) and old cast iron cook ware. I have used this on my Caprice as well to save the washer bracket and to protect the battery bracket. Seriously good stuff and perfect for using indoors. Put your parts in it, come back the next day, rinse parts with water and maybe an old tooth brush, and you're good to go. Check it out. http://www.evapo-rust.com/

Also, here's a before / after pic of a Bailey that was completely shot that I restored using EvapoRust. Sorry to hi-jack thread, 2ndtime, but hopefully a product like this that you can use indoors without worry will help you out.

ETA: I have used electrolysis and other caustic stuff before along with vinegar and other home brews. Really, Evaporust is awesome and works better with far less risk.


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02-25-16 02:07 PM - Post#2611457    

I'll check it out, thanks!
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02-25-16 05:27 PM - Post#2611492    

It may be a little hard to see in this pic, but my son and I have had some productive nights this week. Only two pieces of the suspension are left to knock down with wire wheels. The spindles nearly degreased with about one more application needed. Sunday I hope to do more blasting on crossmember and control arms, next week we metal prep, and next weekend, hopefully.POR 15. On schedule!

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02-28-16 02:12 PM - Post#2612027    

Finally, something that resembles progress! I started early today, removed paint and loose rust with 3M wheels, treated with POR Marine Clean, followed by Metal Prep, and painted with POR 15. Looks much better now!

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02-28-16 02:16 PM - Post#2612029    

A few more

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02-28-16 04:56 PM - Post#2612078    

We're expecting a little rain so we set the doghouse back on with 4 bolts and set the hood in place too.

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02-29-16 06:40 AM - Post#2612173    

wow that front end is coming out nice, cant wait to get to that point on mine. still alot of sheetmetal work to go tho...
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02-29-16 11:51 AM - Post#2612233    

You build is coming along great. Your firewall cleaned up real good.
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02-29-16 03:36 PM - Post#2612286    

Yeah, mine needs a lot of sheet metal work too. I'm just going in a different order since I don't have a garage yet. My plan is to rebuild the front suspension and the engine this Spring, put all that back together, temporarily reinstall the doghouse and hood, (to protect my work from the elements), and maybe get our house sold and move late in the Summer or early Fall. It's an ambitious plan, but we would like to be semi rural (with a garage!) and hopefully (also a lofty goal) find a place where my folks can move in next door so we can help them out. They retired to Florida many years ago but are finally ready to come home! My dad is getting a little old for the work, but I'm hoping we can spend the next several years hanging out together in the garage while I do most of the work! AND, he's a retired welder! I'm hoping he'll teach me how to weld!
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02-29-16 03:38 PM - Post#2612287    

thank you Sir!
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02-29-16 06:46 PM - Post#2612333    

I managed to squeeze these in tonight after dinner!

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03-01-16 07:32 PM - Post#2612532    

Next phase:

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03-01-16 07:35 PM - Post#2612535    

Looking good Tim!!!!
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03-01-16 07:50 PM - Post#2612539    

What paint are you using?
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03-01-16 08:02 PM - Post#2612541    

POR 15
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03-03-16 09:25 AM - Post#2612839    

I love the look of the 2nd coat the next morning. Here is a before/after. It looked wet this morning but it's bone dry.

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03-03-16 07:26 PM - Post#2612940    

I got a lot done considering I didn't get home until after 6pm. Applied 1st coat to bottom of cross member, marine cleaned and metal prepped 3 control arms, the 4th will have to be sandblasted like the 1st. Major pitting after sitting nearly on the ground for a few years! I also wire wheeled and marine cleaned all 8 cross member flat stock nuts. I plan to POR the 1st 3 control arms and flat nuts tomorrow night, along with 2nd coat bottom crossmember, start decrudding the knuckles and backing plates Saturday night, mount crossmember to frame Sunday, and begin reassembly next week. This is fun!!!!!!!!

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03-04-16 09:25 PM - Post#2613122    

Nothing caps off a 15 hour day at work like putting in an hour on the car at 10:30pm. Here ya go...

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03-05-16 11:50 PM - Post#2613345    

It's 2:50 in the morning and we're almost ready for the big day. At noon today we will reinstall the cross member with NEW grade 8 bolts! Wouldn't you know that Tractor Supply only had four 3/8 x 1 1/2 x 24 thread bolts, so I drove to the opposite end of town to Rural King and they only had 12...so I bought those and had to drive ALL THE WAY BACK to Tractor Supply to buy the other 4. LIFE... Anyway, we are all ready to attach it at high noon. Here is a pic of everything on my staging table. You may notice that the lower control arms are absent. I'm not happy with their cleanliness, even the one that is sand blasted. Those things are trash receptacles for every place they've ever driven. I plan to have my helpers wire wheel them to death, followed by the sand blaster, and then a couple more days in the degreaser, followed by the marine clean and the etching solution. The uppers turned out great. I also plan to have the helpers wire wheel and degrease the backing plates, knuckles, and bolt spacers tomorrow. I think I should replace the bolts to those. If all goes well, we should have everything put back together in the next week. Next I need to order new lower shock mounting plates, shocks, a new taper bearing for the steering (the cage is broken), sway bar bushings, drag link rebuild kit, idler arm rebuild kit, and passenger side tie rod. Lots to do, but I'm having a blast learning how all this works!

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03-06-16 03:40 PM - Post#2613524    

Great day! Cross member reattached with grade 8 bolts, upper-outer shafts installed THE CORRECT WAY, per DZAUTO and manual, upper control arms installed and torqued per manual, lower control arms finally clean, marine cleaned, and etched with metal prep. They'll get the POR tonight before bed. One of the best work days in a while! Question: What is the torque on the 16 crossmember bolts? I couldn't find it in the manual so I set them to 35 lbs for now. Pics:

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03-07-16 04:41 PM - Post#2613771    

Nice little evening of cleaning and painting after work. I "de-crudded" the steering knuckles and small parts, wire wheeled the exterior of the brake drums, wire wheeled/marine cleaned/metal etched the backing plates for POR 15, POR'd the bottoms of the lower control arms, applied 2nd coat of POR tom coil springs, degreased the two big idler arm pieces, and did it all in two hours.

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03-07-16 04:46 PM - Post#2613773    

A few more...

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03-07-16 06:15 PM - Post#2613801    

You have done a fantastic job on that original front suspension.
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03-07-16 07:00 PM - Post#2613813    

Thanks! I did a little painting on the backing plates a while later. It sure would go faster if I could hire some of this out. I feel like all I do is scrape, wire wheel, degrease, treat, and paint. Assembly sure is more fun when I get to it though!

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03-08-16 08:14 AM - Post#2613941    

That 1st coat really smoothed out some of the pitting on the backing plates! Here it is before work this morning. AND, look what our machining class made for me; king pin installation tools from an old one. Cost=1 dozen doughnuts. Happy to oblige!

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03-08-16 07:21 PM - Post#2614103    

Tim, Torque would be about 45 dry and 35 lubricated.
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03-09-16 08:09 AM - Post#2614193    

Thanks Bob!
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03-09-16 08:13 AM - Post#2614194    

I'm really happy with these 2nd coats. It is obvious from the pitting on all the driver side parts that it sat closer to the ground for several years.

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03-10-16 06:05 PM - Post#2614492    

Ya know, I never thought I'd be smart enough to do this...tonight I loaded my spindles and uprights with the new King Pin set. I followed DZAUTO'S turorial, using 1/2 an old king pin and it really went well! I honestly never thought I could do it and would have to ask someone to do it for me. I even did shims. Passenger side needed two and driver side only needed one. Here is a pic!

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03-10-16 07:23 PM - Post#2614502    

Staging parts for more assembly this coming week!

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03-13-16 12:22 PM - Post#2615103    

Cool post! keep pictures coming!

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03-15-16 03:01 PM - Post#2615610    

Great news. I just ordered my passenger replacement tie rod, idler arm rebuild kit, lower shock brackets, draglink rebuild kit, brake drum gaskets, and stabilizer bar bushings! AND, cbmkr56 found these for me and I'm getting set to purchase them off of him. Things are really starting to come together. Thanks cbmkr56!

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03-16-16 03:46 PM - Post#2615824    

Firewall braces will be here Friday, woot! Tonight I finally tackled a brake drum, pulled the back seal and bearing, tapped out both races, and used a whole can of brake parts cleaner cleaning it inside and out. Later came the first coat of paint.

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03-16-16 04:57 PM - Post#2615840    

The table is getting closer to completion.

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03-17-16 04:58 PM - Post#2616057    

Another good night! Dismantled, cleaned, and painted the 2nd brake drum. Then I cleaned the races, bearings, and hub parts real well. I also enlisted the help of my beautiful wife and she helped me reinstall the big spring on drum #1. What is that for...heat dissipation or keeping debris out of the wheel? Tonights pics:

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03-17-16 11:08 PM - Post#2616093    

The spring is there to dampen drum vibrations. It is supposed to reduce squealing or screeching when braking.

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03-18-16 01:50 AM - Post#2616100    

Thanks Ray. I've always wondered about that!
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03-18-16 11:28 AM - Post#2616179    

I'm so excited! They're beautiful! And they're already here! Thanks cbmkr56!!!!

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03-18-16 07:09 PM - Post#2616264    

Another nice little hour after 14 hours at work! I got the spring back on drum #2 BY MY SELF...yes you read that right. There is a trick to it! Painted 2nd coat and spring. Touched up all other parts on table with left over por 15. Painted left tie rod. Reinstalled hub bearing races on both earluer.

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03-20-16 10:39 AM - Post#2616560    

I would really like to know your secrect to putting the spring back on the drum.
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03-20-16 01:33 PM - Post#2616591    

With the drum laying flat on the bench, I grasp each end of the spring, get it started in the outermost groove where the drum us most narrow, place my left forearm on the drum to hold it in place and to act as leverage on the spring, and then pull the ends together and hook them. From there I roll it into place one groove at a time!
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03-22-16 02:09 PM - Post#2617098    

Yay, it's like Christmas today! More parts came in and the end of the front end rebuild is officially in sight!

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03-22-16 02:11 PM - Post#2617099    

Draglink rebuild kit is on back order...
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03-24-16 06:02 PM - Post#2617546    

It was a pretty good day. Tomorrow the steering gets hooked back up.

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03-25-16 02:19 PM - Post#2617721    

Well, here we are. Day 3 of reassembly and nearly done. Now it all needs aligned following the shop manual. A word of caution; the lower shock brackets from filling station are crap. I had to shave, chamfer, and bend them a little because the bolt holes didn't line up. I wish I would have known that NAPA had them before I ordered them. Bill Gommel sent me a better 3rd/idler arm and the mail showed up literally just in time for assembly today. Thanks Bill! Overall, I am very pleased and ready to start in on the engine. My staging table will always be full!

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03-26-16 05:10 AM - Post#2617803    

I forgot to add that I set those new firewall braces loose in place just to see how they will look. I can't wait to start working on those!
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03-26-16 02:18 PM - Post#2617905    

With Phase I (frontend rebuild) nearly done, and Phase II (engine rebuild) starting soon, my mind is already in Phase III, which will possibly be the roughest part of the build--the driver side metal replacement. Here are some pics showing the severity of the neglect. Do I start in back and build forward, or front going to back. I will say, my trunk pan, although rusted out, is more solid than my daily driver. Perhaps back to front and then back last? Pics:

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03-26-16 03:33 PM - Post#2617913    

So, I got brave and removed the rock guard after dinner. Needless to say, it was holding the car together, lol. I knew it was this bad when I bought it back and it's still my first car, so it will be worth it in the end. I may need help creating templates for the metal that is missing UNDER the quarter panel. YIKES. I will upload pics as soon as my phone recharges. Oh, and the guy that repainted the car for my dad back in 1989 did a little fiber glass work and didn't tell anyone...!
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03-26-16 04:06 PM - Post#2617918    

Here come the pics! It looks like a few "layers"? of metal are gone. Must be a pinch welded seam? Anyway, when you see the rock guard pics, that is solid fiber glass backing! Ouch! I may need to hire some of you guys to help on this! Sorry, pic 3 is upside down...

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03-26-16 04:11 PM - Post#2617919    

More...1 is again upside down and 3 is from inside of car, which looks surprisingly better...

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03-26-16 04:16 PM - Post#2617920    

Just a few more...

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03-27-16 04:48 AM - Post#2617998    

That is what I found with my 51. What I thought was good solid metal turned out to be a lot of bondo! I would suggest you strip down to metal on those quarter panels. then you will be able to assess what needs to be cut out and replaced. I ended up getting some replacement quarter panels from EMS...$$$ but good quality and then I just had to learn how to weld without doing more damage! the key is getting the rotted metal cut away so you can weld to solid metal.
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03-27-16 05:02 AM - Post#2618002    

Thanks Bill! And Happy Easter! I also think it was a good idea finding those firewall braces. I think the car desperately needs them right now. I know the floor brace ends are shot, but the brackets on the frame and the middle splines od the floor braces "look" solid. I need to get under there and tap them with a hammer. The driver door bottom is gone and the skin is buckled outward. I think that would have to be dealt with before alligning doors and rockers, but AFTER the floor braces of course.
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03-27-16 06:02 AM - Post#2618016    

Here might be an order to follow:

1. Firewall Braces
1.5 Engine Back In
2. Toe kicks (and body to frame mount circles at base of door jams--likely need those too)
3. 1st Floor Brace closest to front (hopefully just ends--maybe whole unit)
4. Front floor pans, driver side 1st, perhaps 2nd floor brace and ends 1st, not sure where that starts, will have to look later)
5. 3rd floor brace, keep rear floors (still strong)
6. Inner rocker panels and rear wheel well (is there a 4th floor brace?--I forget!) If so, do that 1st.
7. Repair driver door bottom
8. check alignment of body and door to front end as we go
9. Outer rocker panels
10. Rear quarter

This is all just brain storming, so feel free to add in. I'm obviously not doing this for another months.
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03-27-16 07:44 AM - Post#2618037    

pretty good plan but the floors will come last after floor/body braces and rockers, they weld to the rockers. youll prolly wanna do the door bottoms after the rockers and lower front quarters are done to make sure they align correctly.
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03-27-16 07:52 AM - Post#2618043    

I would listen to Nite Dragon Tim. Also weld in a brace before cutting out the old rockers. Had a buddy that put new rockers and floors in his 55. Cut the old floors and rockers out and welded in the new ones. When he went to put the doors on he found out that the "A" pillars on both sides had moved back an inch!!!! Had to cut the floor and rockers to move it forward to where it should be.
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03-27-16 02:04 PM - Post#2618119    

I got home from Easter at the in laws and took a few minutes to crawl around rapping on the bottom of the car with a hammer and doing a visual inspection. 6 of the 8 end braces are shot, the middle of all four braces are strong, the front 2 end braces are excellent, and the circle bottomed door jam braces are questuonable...I foget what those are called and my manyal is not handy. So there we go for now.
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03-27-16 03:47 PM - Post#2618143    

And I forgot to say, thank you all for helping me! This is all starting to make sense!
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03-28-16 05:12 AM - Post#2618241    

From looking at pics, I guess there are only 6 brace ends. The first two must be heavier body brackets, but I thought they had a rib that spanned the width of the floor. I am amazed that folks can fabricate this stuff by hand (40grit!)...I'll have to go the money route. $79 per end piece isn't bad though.
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03-28-16 05:32 PM - Post#2618399    

Amazing work.
I still marvel at the fact that you are doing this exposed outside in the Midwest USA.

If you need some additional tidbit "factory specs" and identification of "body references" I find the 1950 resto pack has a small bit of good frame info :
See the Chassis Frame section (and even Exterior Dimensions section) 1950 Restoration Pack
and
The 1952 Chevrolet Ready Reference Time Saver has a bit of factory body panel info (1949 was grandad so they show its' pics a lot and they are very close to your 1950) : See Collision and the Body Sections 1952 Chevy Ready Reference

Finally: I hesitate to even mention this ... but since you see the extent of lower rusting ... are you thinking of pulling the body off the frame ?
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03-29-16 01:59 AM - Post#2618450    

I do hope to take it off the frame someday, but ONLY after all the bad metal has been replaced with new metal welded securely in place. I've read a lot about that on here!
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03-29-16 06:32 PM - Post#2618598    

Tim, My buddys 55 was still on the frame. FYI
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03-31-16 06:18 AM - Post#2618791    

I look forward to your rust repair as my 1950 coupe is in the same shape.My front braces are in good shape which is suprising.

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04-03-16 04:09 PM - Post#2619384    

So this started happening today! I had an experienced body man come over today and mark where he would cut the existing braces, and then I spent the afternoon having fun with an air powered cutting wheel. They're just sitting in there loose for now. As soon as he gets back from this huge hotrod roundup in Texas in a few weeks, he's going to weld them in for me. I decided not to have a high school kid do it... They fit pretty well!

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04-04-16 12:35 PM - Post#2619538    

Here is a revised plan, based on what I'm seeing. I'm trying to use what little strength the underside of the body still has intact to it's advantage so that nothing settles while we cut, and so that we can use existing rot to try and maintain alignment:

1. After grafting in new bottoms to firewall braces, the front of the body will be stronger, so that is a plus.

2. Next, the transmission crossmember end brackets are nice and stout, so there is more support.

3. Next, replace toe kicks, one at a time, which EMS actually recommends to maintain width of car. While toe kick is out, determine whether or not door jamb bracket needs replaced (probably).

4. Next, cut out front floor panel, one at a time, to expose end bracket and replace with new.

5. Next is the big dilemma. The rear floor boards seem to be strong enough to save. Is it possible to cut out the middle floor brace ends with the floor, and what's left of the rotten inner rockers intact so that we can keep things aligned as Bob has mentioned?

6. Next, rear floor brace ends.

7. Next, inner rockers.

8. Next, rear fronts of wheel wells, etc.

9. Next, outer rockers.

10. Next, door bottom kits.

11. Next, rear quarter panels, skirt hook eyelets, etc.

Am I over analyzing this?? I want to go in an exact order so that this body doesn't buckle or sag while we're cutting away rot. I have even left the door sill plates in place for now since there is very little inner or outer rocker panel left! I'm sure I am missing something. Fire away!
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04-04-16 01:24 PM - Post#2619547    

And then of course, front floor boards last as Nite Dragon mentioned. I forgot those...
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04-08-16 03:55 AM - Post#2620259    

Hi 2nd time, the problem with that approach is it assumes the car is square and true to begin with.
It could have had major damage repaired during its life. I go back one step and pay a friend to put mine on his chassis body alignment jig and check the factory numbers to be sure It's straight.
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04-09-16 06:49 AM - Post#2620480    

Thanks Kiwi! That sounds expensive. What does something like that cost? I don't want to go overboard on the money as this car has better lines, handling, alignment, and stance than the one I currently drive. Would it be possible to lay under the car and take measurements instead before we go to all that expense? Again, I just don't want to get in over my head financially if the frame is "close enough for jazz". And, I am apologizing in advance if my questions are foolish. I know I still have a lot to learn!
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04-09-16 07:11 AM - Post#2620485    

I think I found it. I really had never read the frame section in the manual. It outlines a few methods. Now if I just had a level piece of concrete to do the plumb bob technique. No good concrete on our property! I have a friend with a shop. Maybe we can tow it over to him!
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05-12-16 12:41 PM - Post#2627877    

What happened? Any new updates? This is very interesting to follow......
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05-14-16 06:32 PM - Post#2628284    

The last few weeks, I have been redoing the engine. Here are a few pics from today. The lower end is back together. We plastigauged the mains and the rod bearings. All were in the .0025 neighborhood, so lots of life left in this old engine. We also replaced all the block plugs, painted the block, and rebuilt the oil pump today. Tomorrow we button up the oil pan, easy off oven cleaner and pressure wash the bell housing, and next week we begin reconditioning the head. I'd like to have it back in the car in a few weeks.

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05-14-16 08:15 PM - Post#2628302    

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05-15-16 01:10 PM - Post#2628438    

I got some more big parts degreased and painted today. Yay, sick of the dirty work and ready for the fun part; assembly!

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05-16-16 08:54 AM - Post#2628603    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
The last few weeks, I have been redoing the engine. Here are a few pics from today. The lower end is back together. We plastigauged the mains and the rod bearings. All were in the .0025 neighborhood, so lots of life left in this old engine. We also replaced all the block plugs, painted the block, and rebuilt the oil pump today. Tomorrow we button up the oil pan, easy off oven cleaner and pressure wash the bell housing, and next week we begin reconditioning the head. I'd like to have it back in the car in a few weeks.


I hope you took many more engine measurements than those crude Plastigauge numbers.



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05-23-16 04:58 PM - Post#2630117    

No, I'm sorry we really didn't. The reasons are numerous. First, it's a 216, and I want to save my money for rebuilding a 235. It only has 44,000 miles on it, and quite frankly, it runs and idles smoother than my daily driver. I did pull it out of the car and dismantle it with the original intention of rebuilding it, but my priorities have changed. It was sitting in pieces inside the car because my basement is already full of parts. (no garage) I hated to see it sit in pieces for too long, trying to keep rust and dirt away. So, I decided I would at least clean everything well, repaint, and reassemble with a new gasket set. Someday, after I find a high pressure engine I like or rebuild the one with the cracked cylinder wall, and save up enough money, this engine will be a conversation piece in the corner of my garage. For now, I will have a working engine that looks nice, and is able to move the car more easily in the driveway while I do body work...which you can see in the pictures is a MUCH bigger concern right now. If I don't jump on that this summer, there may be less car sitting there next year.
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05-24-16 11:17 AM - Post#2630237    

You could have been close to maybe getting another 44,000 plus miles out of that lowly 216. They truly do benefit from some "measurement checking" when you have them apart.
You should at least make sure those engine internals are very very clean, and do a best effort check on the big rod end dippers, & oil pan troughs. Also, check the condition of the oil distributor valve and its cover & gaskets.
Maybe read the Shop Manual just to see what you skipped doing.....

Ps----Tell you a little secret of the 216, it is not really a "low pressure" engine.
Psss.... Not to be too hard on you though, at least you are going much further than so many folks here that have never even tried to open a 216 and make it run.

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05-24-16 04:58 PM - Post#2630300    

With all due respect Sir, all those measurements are going to lead to two things, MONEY and TIME... More money and time than I wish to invest in this particular motor. We did make sure that the internals were VERY clean. We did test the oil troughs to make sure that they were aimed straight. I removed the side oil distributor, cleaned it thoroughly, cleaned out the main oil galley with a long bristle after removing the galley plugs, cleaned out every oil passage in the block, rebuilt the oil pump, pressure washed the water jacket, replaced all the various block plugs, bought a full engine gasket set, replaced those oil distributor gaskets you mentioned, and this weekend am making a new oil line to the rocker arms that goes through the jacket, and no, this is not the first one I've made, so I know what to do there. The rocker arm assembly will be completely torn down and cleaned including all the oil grooves and the inside of the rocker shafts. Most of the work was overseen by a friend who has rebuilt many engines. I am doing everything that my budget and schedule will afford for an engine that I do not wish to drive 44,000 more miles. In the end, it is simply not the engine I want in the car later down the road and it is CERTAINLY better than I found it after the last owner left it in a field for 16 years. Thank you for your input.
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05-24-16 05:13 PM - Post#2630307    

Moving ahead, this is what I have been working on this week. Ignore the bare field coils in the 2nd pic. The insulation was oil soaked and falling off. I was going to rewrap them with cloth tape from our local auto electrical rebuild shop, but opted to get some new 12 volt conversion field coils instead. The new field coils will arrive Friday, then we commence reassembly and move on to the distributor, followed by the generator or perhaps an alternator I had in the other '50. The same shop also tested the armature and said it was in great shape.

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05-24-16 06:18 PM - Post#2630321    

Tim you are moving right along!!!! Looks good.
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05-24-16 06:26 PM - Post#2630323    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
With all due respect Sir, all those measurements are going to lead to two things, MONEY and TIME... and no, this is not the first one I've made, so I know what to do there. Most of the work was overseen by a friend who has rebuilt many engines. Thank you for your input.


2ndtime50guy: I meant no offense and I only interjected my opinion to try and save you grief later. If I would have already known that you had done this before and had a friend who has done "many engines" I surely would have avoided my commentary. I have done decades of rebuilds on those Stovebolt engines. It is inspiring to see that others like yourself know the tricks and quirks of those engines too ! So many of those 216/235's seize a bearing after a quick rebuild it's good hear that you know what to expect and hopefully avoid ...
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05-25-16 06:54 AM - Post#2630372    

I do appreciate your input! We were concerned about that too, especially all the bearings and points of contact. We constantly wiped and re-wiped bearing surfaces with new towels and assembled everything clean and lubricated. I fully admit that is by no means a qualified "rebuild" and would make no claim to that if I ever decided to sell it. I feel like we basically "mothballed" it for light use in either the driveway or a slow trip to the body shop until we can decide what to do with it. Your input is always welcome and appreciated.
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05-25-16 08:49 AM - Post#2630391    

2ndtime50guy This 1949-54 sub-forum "Build Forum" section of CT is your blog for your cars' work. As you previously inferred, your time and your money.
I seldom comment here on the Builds . When you posted the engine pics and gave some info, well ... I had a few concerns on your engine. I should have remembered this is not a Q&A section, but a section where folks do-it-their-way. Mea culpa.
I will sure follow your progress here, and if you need "input" I'll be glad to help (if I can) on the Main 1949-1954 Chevys CT Forum.
Truly, Best Of Luck to you.
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05-27-16 03:13 PM - Post#2630751    

It's no problem! Today we finally got the starter working. When I got the new 12v field coils Thursday, we put them right in and went to test the unit this morning. The solenoid would click and plunge, but the motor itself wouldn't turn. After tearing it apart, testing all the connections, looking for short outs, and putting it back together about 6 times, we finally took it to our rebuild shop. I just asked them to test it, but they were bored so two guys tore it apart, found a grounded wire touching the inside of the case, and had it back together and tested in 10 minutes! THEY DID IT FREE AND WOULDN'T EVEN LET ME PAY! Such nice people! Now it's in the car and I've started cleaning up the distributor for tomorrow!
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05-27-16 03:20 PM - Post#2630752    

Here's a few pics. First is soldering the new 12v field coils to the post. I used a few alligator clamps as heat sinks. Next is pic in the car!

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05-28-16 02:51 PM - Post#2630914    

Another good day. The best part is having my folks in town and hanging out with my dad all day while we tinker. Last night I cleaned, repainted, and put new electronics in the distributor. Today we cleaned the rocker arms and got them back in the car. We're having fun. Here are some pics:

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05-28-16 03:53 PM - Post#2630923    

I forgot to mention, tomorrow is Rocker-Arm-Oil-Line-Throu gh-the-Water-Jacket Day while we picnic and listen to the 100th running of the Indy 500! Can't wait!
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05-29-16 03:10 PM - Post#2631095    

More progress. Installed rocker arm oil line through water jacket, distributor, draft tube, water pump, water outlet, battery cables, vintage plug wires, and listened to Indy 500. What an exciting finish; on fumes! And, I rigged up some shade too! Anyway, here are pics:

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05-29-16 03:13 PM - Post#2631097    

Sorry my pics aren't auto rotating. Here is one more.

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05-30-16 12:46 PM - Post#2631213    

Today's work: reinstalled manifold and carb. Hose section of fuel line is temporary until I can find and make a new stainless steel line from pump to carb. I've I decided that I am no longer going to run a fuel filter above the manifold. I'll either put one in back near the tank or just before the fuel pump. For now I just want to get it running for a minute or so later in the week to get oil cycled through and splashed up on the cylinder walls. I will prime the oil system with a drill and flat blade screwdriver bit from the distributor hole first!

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06-01-16 02:06 PM - Post#2631570    

Lookin' good my man!!! Glad you updated, I am really following this.
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06-01-16 04:05 PM - Post#2631590    

Thank you Sir! I'm inching along, a little each day or so. Today I degreased and repainted the side motor mount brackets, added new steel and rubber stabilizers, (which I was shocked to find at O'Reilly's!) Reinstalled all that, and bolted down the transmission, which had just been sitting loosely on the 2nd cross member. I also repaired the damaged oil pan plug that drips and that was about it for the night. Tomorrow we reattach exhaust pipe, add oil, prime engine, and maybe start her up! Pics:

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06-01-16 04:08 PM - Post#2631591    

Driver side:

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06-01-16 06:05 PM - Post#2631605    

Ugh. Looking ahead...why do steering box and column shifter box rebuild kits and accessory parts (like little dust boots?) have to be SO expensive for what little you get?? Unhappy camper...!
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06-03-16 03:02 PM - Post#2631934    

We got her started again. She still runs really smoothly, despite my technical shortcomings! I hope to get the rebuilt transmission off of Mr Lucky this weekend. I have two new freeze plugs that are weeping water, so those may need to come out and get replaced again. I'm still not very good at installing those. I'll have a video link shortly...

Here is the link, I hope: 1st timer 1st restart after cleanup
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06-03-16 06:34 PM - Post#2631974    

Sounds good to me!!!!!!!!
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06-04-16 07:15 AM - Post#2632034    

Agree.
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06-04-16 04:31 PM - Post#2632108    

Thanks guys! I'm really kicking myself over those freeze plugs. I wish I would have used rtv around them. I've had people tell me to do that, and I've had people tell me to just make sure the block surface and plug edge are smooth, clean, and blemish free, and drive them in DRY. I should have asked here first. It's not the end of the world. I have more and I know how to remove them without driving them into the block. Just a pain. On the bright side, I did get a visit today from Mr. Lucky and he sold me a rebuilt rear end and 3 speed transmission. I'll post a pic of those from my phone if it doesn't die on me:

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06-06-16 06:24 PM - Post#2632512    

I use Permatex gasket sealer on freeze plugs.
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06-07-16 01:10 PM - Post#2632665    

Thanks Bob! I'll probably drain the block, knock those two out, and replace them again next week, using that sealer. I appreciate your advice and wish we lived closer together!
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06-08-16 06:57 AM - Post#2632836    

Sometime this summer I am going to get over there and look at your cars!!!!!
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06-13-16 06:38 PM - Post#2633776    

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06-14-16 04:26 AM - Post#2633832    

Thanks guys! It's been a busy weekend. First we pulled the motor to start my to do list for the week:
1. Replace weeping freeze plugs I didn't install correctly.
2. Install new transmission.
3. Rebuild shifter box...done.
4. Weld in firewall brace transplants. They are just tacked in for now, but they will be finished and ground and cleaned up later this week. My old buddy who did the welding is currently battling cancer and I admire his tenacity. He says he is still putting in 6 hour days in his shop each day! Here are pics:

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06-14-16 06:23 PM - Post#2633985    

Kind of a slow day. It rained on and off and I had marching band tonight; so no real time to get my hands too dirty. I did finally dismantled the filthy rusty transmission mount. I refuse to pay $95 for a new one. There are no 3690316's on ebay right now. There is a 3690416 for Powerglide, and I read another post here that said the rubber piece sandwiched in the middle was the same, just different metal. BUT, at $35, I couldn't justify tearing apart a good one just for the rubber. I decided the rubber on mine is good enough for now and cleaned up and repainted the one I have. I also did something I've scoured the internet for to no avail. I drew a chart of the lever positions on a 3 speed tranny. Feel free to share. It will be quite helpful during the reinstall. Lastly, I repainted the transmission and reinstalled the mount. Is it a good thing that I am starting to know part numbers off the top of my head? I do a lot of research in that Master Parts Catalog. Some sellers on ebay only use vague descriptions with the numbers, so that is quite helpful. Here are pics for today:

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06-15-16 03:06 PM - Post#2634149    

Another slow day. Lots of rain. I found bolts at Rural King and made some rubber body cushions for the firewall braces. This old hole punch my dad gave me really came in handy. Firewall rubbers are made from a nice heavy 1/4 inch mud flap...enough to make most if not all of the of the body rubbers and only $12.99! Pic:

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06-16-16 08:48 AM - Post#2634317    

AWESOME DAY SO FAR!!!!!! The day I have dreaded all week is only half way over, and so far I am WINNING THE BATTLE!!!!! YES!!!!! Two of these projects had to be skipped earlier do to back ordered parts and what not. I think you'll see why I was dreading this.

My list for today:

1. Rebuild idler arm with kit--CHECK!!
2. Rebuild draglink with kit--CHECK!!
3. Heat flywheel gear ring with torch and flip around to fresh teeth--DOUBLE CHECK!!

And, it's only 12:40pm!! I have 9 more hours of daylight. On the flywheel, I couldn't have done it without my lovely wife. We walked in slow circles around it, me heating it with a propane torch and her following me with the light tapping of a punch and hammer. After that, I let it cool, dressed up the bad leading edge with file so it would sit flush on the install (it had developed a lip sticking out--that's how bad it was!), cleaned with parts cleaner, degreased and neutralized with very hot water and dish soap in the sink, heated the oven to 450 degrees, and set the ring on aluminum foil for about 20 minutes. When it started to stink a bit, I took it out with channel locks (and heavy gloves for safety) set it on the flywheel, gave it a few LIGHT taps, and IT PRACTICALLY FELL INTO PLACE without any real force. It turned out great and I'm so happy it's done. I was scared to death of this job and was about to pay a blacksmith I know to do it for me. Thank you for teaching me so much. I learned how to do this from you guys in old threads on here! Now for a celebratory lunch and back to work!!!!! Cheers!!! Pics later!
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06-16-16 12:06 PM - Post#2634340    

Here are some pics. I also ground down some welds today. That is tedious work! I used an air drill with a metal eater bit. It seemed to go faster.

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06-16-16 06:13 PM - Post#2634404    

Tim. Once you put the fender and inner fender on no one will see that brace anyway!!! So it will be show quality!!!!!! LOL LOL
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06-16-16 07:08 PM - Post#2634415    

Thanks for the encouragement Bob! I'm having fun!
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06-16-16 07:14 PM - Post#2634416    

A few more things I did tonight: pedals and oil filter...

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06-17-16 06:06 PM - Post#2634575    

Not a lot of great pics today. I reinstalled pedals, parking brake linkage, new block plugs with permatex, and took my oil pan off to check the troughs and spouts one final time. 1 pic:



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06-17-16 06:09 PM - Post#2634576    

And yes, i know that spring doesn't go like that. I did that so I could bolt on the pedals without a helper. I'll put in the clutch pedal hook and rod after the engine is in place.
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06-18-16 07:06 PM - Post#2634739    

Long day...13 hours! Engine back in again with new transmission, new block plugs, fresh flywheel teeth, and pedals and linkages reinstalled. Oh,.and.reattached universal joint with new seals and shims. Pics:

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06-19-16 03:44 AM - Post#2634773    

Tim, great work, looking good
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06-19-16 05:15 AM - Post#2634781    

You are doing a great job Tim!!!!!
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06-19-16 07:55 PM - Post#2634926    

Great job so far! Very interesting reading.
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06-22-16 01:59 AM - Post#2635358    

Thanks guys. If this thunder goes away this morning, we'll start cleaning up the dog house and doing the POR-15 on the under side. Wife said she would help today and maybe even son, since I am trying to restore TWO 50s right now! I plan to adjust the shift linkage, install 12v generator (converted from 6), voltage regulator, and other odds and ends. Oops. now I see lightning...maybe not!
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06-22-16 04:12 PM - Post#2635473    

Yeah, rain and chances of rain all day. I stayed in and cleaned parts. Some even got painted; not many. The inner fender panels will be POR-15'd, but the hardware will just get rattle can gloss black. No need to waste that expensive paint on stuff that will cause it to peel from use; ie springs, hinges, etc. Pics:

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06-22-16 04:18 PM - Post#2635474    

Some more:

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06-23-16 06:04 PM - Post#2635663    

What a long, hot, crappy day. Started the day by separating the driveshaft and tranny to make sure I didn't screw up my shim job. Then putting that all back together. Moved on to installing the flywheel covers...and the holes NEVER line up...but finally they did. Then onto SEVERAL hours fighting with the shifter box, only to find out I had the spring in backwards...

Tomorrow I have my helpers coming over. We hope to wire wheel, prep, and POR-15 the inside of the doghouse, install the genny and voltage regulator, add the bypass oil filter, and anything else we can knock out. This heat is killing me! No pics today, sorry.
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06-25-16 07:25 PM - Post#2636081    

Another hot day in the sun. Here's where I'm at. Parking brake reinstalled, transmission filled per manual, bypass oil filter canister installed, generator and battery cables installed.

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06-30-16 05:24 AM - Post#2636898    

I'm a little behind on updates. I started wire wheeling the doghouse to find the thin spots. The good news is that there aren't as many as I thought, even in the inner fenders. There is one pretty bad spot. Not being a welder I'll have to call for help again. I think I can cut out and fabricate the piece though. I am also going back around the car and going through the brakes again to be on the safe side. See pics. I'm having trouble with uploads and will try to add more later.

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06-30-16 07:17 AM - Post#2636919    

What is the doghouse? See it all the time,but don't know what it is. Know what it is on vans and trucks.
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06-30-16 06:44 PM - Post#2637026    

Keith, the front end, hood, fenders, inner fenders grille ETC.
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06-30-16 07:21 PM - Post#2637031    

Sorry, it might not be the correct term on a 49-54. That's just what my dad always called the front end when he worked on his '56 when I was a little kid. Am I misusing that term Bob?
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06-30-16 08:08 PM - Post#2637043    

Thanks, Bob. Sounds right to me 2nd time.
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07-01-16 06:32 PM - Post#2637246    

Thats right. Tim.
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07-02-16 03:03 PM - Post#2637357    

Not bad for my very first fabrication ever. I even got the beveled lip in there. I may just make some other pieces and save some money. This only took about an hour. Pics:

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07-10-16 06:36 AM - Post#2638872    

Not much to report...just lots of wire wheeling, metal prepping, and painting with POR-15. A few set backs... The heat and humidity and a short two day trip to Dale Hollow kind of took the wind out of my sails, but I'm starting to get my work ethic back. Getting ready to order my antisqueak kit from NCA (thanks for the heads up Bruce Pearce!) and I have already ordered my first piece of sheet metal from EMS...exciting things ahead!
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07-11-16 03:22 PM - Post#2639170    

A little progress...inner fender baffles, brackets, and trunk hardware before and after...

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07-13-16 03:42 AM - Post#2639480    

Nice job on making your own patch panel. I find it very satisfying and always love seeing others forming good patches.

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07-13-16 04:51 AM - Post#2639490    

That's quite a compliment,coming from a man with your skills!
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07-13-16 01:26 PM - Post#2639578    

Wow! Thanks for the compliment! I hope the driver side goes as well! It's not perfect, but for not having a bending brake and being kind of hidden, it will be OK I think. Thanks guys!
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07-13-16 01:29 PM - Post#2639579    

Great news today! I got my first EMS panel and their catalog. I got an outer rocker for the driver side. It looks beautiful!! I would go out and snap a pic holding it up to the car but it is raining and HAILING.

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07-14-16 07:28 PM - Post#2639816    

Tonight we started gluing anti rattle pieces on the front end parts. I have the best wife in the world who assisted with the gluing and the clamping! She has a knack for stuff like that!
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07-15-16 02:26 PM - Post#2639944    

I made an EXTREME amount of headway today. It's amazing what you can get done when you aren't dodging rain (and this week HAIL!)...anyway. Today I got up early, spent the morning wire wheeling the driver side fender, inner fender, and radiator support frame. After lunch it was on to POR-15 degreaser and metal prep. In between steps I reassembled the passenger fender with all the anti rattle seals and gaskets glued in place! By late afternoon I had the first coat of POR-15 on the driver fender, inner fender, and radiator support. And now, just in time for dinner, I have the 2nd coat of POR-15 on everything and my driver side metal patch fabricated, using the template from the passenger side! WOW. The wife went out and bought me hardware for reassembly. Tomorrow we coat the POR-15 with rustoleum, glue on the driver side anti rattle kit, trim the new driver side rocker panel for a temporary pop rivet fitment, reinstall the radiator, wire wheel and POR-15 the under side of the hood, and Sunday, hopefully after going back to church for the first time in months, we will reassemble the whole frontend and be done with phase one! Sound good? Pics later, time for dinner!
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07-17-16 02:50 AM - Post#2640169    

a few pics from the last few days...

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07-17-16 02:55 AM - Post#2640170    

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07-17-16 06:50 PM - Post#2640329    

Well, both fenders are now reinstalled, including inner baffles, rock shields, etc. The gaps to the front doors are pretty good, but the hood is an awfully tight fit. I tried loosening the radiator side bolts to let the fenders "breath" away from each other a bit, but it's still pretty tight. The fender height is also good and I was very careful to match the original thickness of the rubber and shims under the radiator. The top fender bolts nearest the door are set just right so that the fender and door lines are flush. I kinda wish I hadn't taken the front end all the way apart, but I really wanted to get all the rust out, paint everything front and back, and do it right. Hopefully I can find some hints in the Fisher body manual? I don't know. OH...and I fit up my first EMS rocker panel today. Great fit, although the it's not welded in yet. Some pics:

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07-17-16 06:58 PM - Post#2640332    

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07-19-16 06:43 PM - Post#2640723    

Very good progress!!

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Thanks Fitz!
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07-22-16 05:28 AM - Post#2641189    

Front end is all back together except splash pan and bumpers. Yesterday I wire wheeled, metal prepped, and painted the underneath side of the hood. I'm a little intrigued as to how the fenders and hood can line up perfectly in the front and perfectly in the back, but yet the hood is low in the middle of the fender. More work to do I guess. Pics:



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07-22-16 07:24 PM - Post#2641305    


great work! very interesting!
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07-23-16 06:22 PM - Post#2641438    

Thanks Sir! Looks like "as of today" this car is now "on hold" until my daily driver is running again...
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09-04-17 01:31 PM - Post#2706682    

Still not much to report yet. I bought a house, got a garage over the cars, wired the garage, bought a mig welder, and am now saving money for an argon tank, and some sheet metal. Hopefully in the next few weeks I'll start learning to tack weld on some scrap pieces!
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09-15-17 05:03 PM - Post#2707763    

Finally some updates!!! I have started learning to mig weld! Here are some pics. It's kinda sloppy, but I'm learning quickly after only about 2 hours practice.

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09-15-17 05:10 PM - Post#2707765    

More practice. I welded some hinges onto a metal shelve to make a fold out bench today. Also practiced tacking on some spare 22 gauge. I figured if I can tack 22, 16 will be easier.

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09-17-17 02:09 PM - Post#2707927    

This is pretty much going to be a Sunday evening only update until marching band ends in November. It was a good day. My welds are marginally improved but still needing practice. I took Bill Gommel's advice and am learning to weld on the floor so that mistakes can be fixed and hidden with the carpet. Today I tacked I a minor hole in the floor with 16 gauge, made final door gap adjustments and tacked in the driver side rocker outer rocker panel, and patched a small mistake when I first trimmed the rocker. Pics below!
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09-17-17 02:23 PM - Post#2707931    

It's not pretty, but as I improve, I will come back and go over it as my skills improve. I am on a tight deadline, wanting to have all the sheet metal "roughed in" and shot with primer before my 30th high school reunion next summer! So I am "learning as I go!" I know I will always have my critics on here, but I would rather dive in, make some fixable mistakes, and not waste 10 years talking about how I "should have done it". What's the fun in it not being a learning experience? Thanks for your support!
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09-22-17 01:28 AM - Post#2708472    

This arrived from EMS today. I can't wait to start this phase!

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09-22-17 07:35 AM - Post#2708506    

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
It's not pretty, but as I improve, I will come back and go over it as my skills improve. I am on a tight deadline, wanting to have all the sheet metal "roughed in" and shot with primer before my 30th high school reunion next summer! So I am "learning as I go!" I know I will always have my critics on here, but I would rather dive in, make some fixable mistakes, and not waste 10 years talking about how I "should have done it". What's the fun in it not being a learning experience? Thanks for your support!



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09-23-17 01:40 AM - Post#2708590    

Thanks for that advice Sir! I'll try to keep that in mind and see how this goes. I'm wanting to take about 4 or more weekends on this first panel so as not to be in a hurry.
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09-25-17 11:24 AM - Post#2708795    

I did my initial biopsy of the panel and started fitting the new one this week. As some have stated, the front quarter panel presents some challenges and is not a perfect match, but we figured out how to make it work. On the next one, I am leaving the old door jam untouched and butt welding out on the skin.

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09-25-17 06:02 PM - Post#2708853    

A few more pics from this weekend. Next weekend, I clean, prep, and Por15 the inner body, use weld through primer on surfaces getting welded, and install the new inner front quarter if it arrives.

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09-25-17 06:05 PM - Post#2708854    

Oh, and weld in a small patch for the edge of that wheel well!
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09-26-17 05:23 PM - Post#2708970    

Looks like you are getting the knack down for welding in the panels.
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09-26-17 06:15 PM - Post#2708976    

Well, the quarter panel is just clamped and screwed in place for now. I'm still trying to match up the door jam edges. The new panel jam edges are not as sharp, but I am bending and tapping them into shape. It is getting better. I also started mechanically removing internal body rust tonight. Here are a few pics.

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10-08-17 04:31 PM - Post#2710192    

A little progress from the last few weeks...front quarter is almost done, not quite there yet.

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10-08-17 04:34 PM - Post#2710193    

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10-09-17 04:07 PM - Post#2710324    

The next round of metal arrived today. This is getting exciting!

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10-10-17 02:54 PM - Post#2710432    

Looking good!! You really picked up the welding quick!!

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10-11-17 01:25 AM - Post#2710475    

Thanks. I still have some spots to work on, but it's getting easier.
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10-12-17 03:49 AM - Post#2710603    

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10-12-17 07:25 AM - Post#2710629    

Last night I started cutting away the rotten passenger side inner and outer rocker and a portion of the floor. Unbelievably, the floor bracket ends seem nice and strong. That could be $170 savings on just those two you see. Pics:

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10-13-17 07:55 PM - Post#2710794    

I started fitting the passenger side panels today.

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10-16-17 02:59 AM - Post#2710975    

Progressing nicely!!
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10-16-17 06:20 PM - Post#2711074    

Thanks! Here is tonight's pic. All welded in and some touch ups left to do!

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10-17-17 05:18 AM - Post#2711121    

One more from earlier showing the rocker in place...
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10-17-17 05:52 AM - Post#2711124    

One more from earlier showing the rocker in place...

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10-18-17 05:16 PM - Post#2711293    

I started fitting this tonight. First, I cut out the thin metal.

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10-23-17 09:06 AM - Post#2711812    

I've been cleaning up my work and filling in seams with welding, grinding, and some hammer and dolly work.

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10-23-17 09:11 AM - Post#2711813    

I also cut out and replaced more bad metal on a door jam. Here is a before, during, and after.

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10-23-17 09:14 AM - Post#2711814    

I forgot the cut out pic. I'm proud that I actually fabricated and matched the bottom lip of the jam!

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10-29-17 04:04 PM - Post#2712600    

A little more progress today. I cut out the front driver floor, leaving a little extra steel on each side of the rib for strength. I then cut off the remnants of the front two floor rib ends, trimmed the rotten edge of the transmission tunnel back to good steel, did lots of wire wheeling and brushing, and finished fitting the new panel. The lateral brace for the seat bench was strong and I was able to save it too.

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10-29-17 04:08 PM - Post#2712601    

A few more...

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11-03-17 04:12 PM - Post#2713199    

Fun evening. I really don't want to pay $85 each plus shipping for these. Let's see if I can make them!

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11-04-17 03:31 PM - Post#2713275    

Today I finished making the floor brace from scratch. It's not pretty, but it fits and it does it's job! Later, I started cutting out bad spots on the trunk pan. I am patching it instead of doing a full replacement!

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11-04-17 03:32 PM - Post#2713276    

Trunk pan prep work...

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You're welcome! I wish I could afford to buy them all. I'll probably buy the rest of the floor brackets. That first one was a huge pain and I'm not real happy with it, but I've been short on dough. I hope to order the front passenger floor and both toe boards as well.
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11-19-17 01:59 PM - Post#2714960    

The last few weeks have been slow. I have been fitting and re-fitting my floor bracket, prepping the under side of the car, and tack welding in the inner rocker panel. Welding upside down has proven to be very challenging and all my tacks look AWFUL. But that's why they invented grinders I guess. Pics later.
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11-19-17 02:19 PM - Post#2714962    

A pic...

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11-20-17 03:28 AM - Post#2715038    

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11-20-17 04:25 AM - Post#2715041    

Thank you Sir! I should add, the discovery element has been pretty neat. As I go through the underneath side of the car, cutting away rust that is beyond repair, and re-fitting the new pieces, it has given me a deeper appreciation of how well built they are. What boggles my mind is how it is taking me weeks to accomplish what took mere seconds on the assembly line! I thought putting a new floor board patch would happen in one day. I was obviously forgetting about the weeks of meticulous rescontruction that needs to take place underneath the floor first!
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11-20-17 06:07 PM - Post#2715135    

The driver front floor is tacked in! And the front bracket is tacked and bolted in with a new bolt and new rubber body pad. Long day...

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11-21-17 06:26 PM - Post#2715248    

So I decided to try and rebuild the inner driver door bottom. The outer skin is in good shape. I'm trying to save all the money I can for EMS floor panels and braces. First, I used tape to pull the partially separated door bottom together, all the while checking alignment and gaps on the outside. Then I welded on temporary braces to hold the outer shape. Currently, I am halfway on replacing the bottom. Since it has a slight curve, I do it in small sections to fit the contour of the outer skin. I cut out the rust, not just cover it up. Pics:

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11-21-17 06:34 PM - Post#2715249    

More pics from previous post. Here I have started tacking in the small patches. I am using left over scraps from other body panels which also saves money! It may look like Frankenstein, but who cares? Upholstery will cover it and it is very strong. All the tacks will be filled in and ground down slightly. Pics:

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11-22-17 11:18 AM - Post#2715347    

Don't forget to leave some drain holes in the bottom of the door.
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11-22-17 07:26 PM - Post#2715402    

Thanks Cleon! I plan to measure the locations from the other door. This door was so bad that I couldn't tell where they were.
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11-23-17 09:56 AM - Post#2715475    

That's good that you have the other door with the original drains. If you do it wrong the water could drain in to the car. Good luck on your project.
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11-23-17 11:18 AM - Post#2715485    

Yeah, those shouldn't be too bad. The harder part may be the rear window drain system. No one is currently making the inner wheel well to inner rocker bottom. EMS is redesigning theirs right now, so it's off the market for now. It has a hole for the drain hose. I tried to save one side to make a template, but both were pretty rotten on my car.
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11-27-17 08:13 PM - Post#2716023    

Looking good. I am so glad that I am just about done welding on mine.
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11-28-17 07:05 AM - Post#2716078    

The problem with the drains was the hose would get plugged. The hoses on my 51 were hard and the bottom metal was all rusted out like yours. I was able to fab some pieces, not pretty but they aren’t visible anyway. Got some new hose from my local Ace Hardware.
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11-28-17 07:56 PM - Post#2716207    

Thanks guys! I'll be glad when I'm further along too. I had a funeral out of town the last few days, so not much progress. I did run out of wire for the first time, so I'll be learning to feed a new spool for the 1st time...
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12-03-17 07:59 PM - Post#2716801    

After a week off from any car stuff, I got a little time in today. I cut out all the bad metal on the passenger front floor, leaving the original spline plus a few extra inches of floor that were still strong. I also removed a portion of the passenger toe kick and tunnel edge as they are not strong enough to save. I think between Christmas gifts and a bonus check I will be able to finish the floor work by the end of January. Pics before, during, and after:

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12-03-17 08:04 PM - Post#2716802    

After pics:

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12-09-17 03:34 PM - Post#2717434    

I made this repair patch today instead of paying $75 plus shipping for a whole new seat mounting brace! It turned out nice!

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12-10-17 10:07 AM - Post#2717485    

Nice work.
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12-14-17 08:11 AM - Post#2717890    

Tim, I'm with you on making your own repair panels and patches. I do the same. $90 for one floor brace?! No way! $45-$50 for 4'x4' sheets of 20 and 18 gauge and you can make a lot of repair pieces.
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12-14-17 09:09 AM - Post#2717896    

Tim, you have shown us other examples of your work in the past, and IMO almost everything you do looks too good to have been formed entirely with hand tools. Do you have some sort of press or brake or other leverage multiplying equipment that you use for sheet metal forming?

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12-14-17 09:13 AM - Post#2717897    

Tommy, as with Tim, almost all of your work also looks too good to have been done entirely with hand tools. What kind of equipment do you use for sheet metal forming?

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12-14-17 09:53 AM - Post#2717899    

  • raycow Said:
Tommy, as with Tim, almost all of your work also looks too good to have been done entirely with hand tools. What kind of equipment do you use for sheet metal forming?

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Ray, I don't have any real cool equipment. I have a cheesy Harbor Freight that can only bend tin foil. , an old 10" anvil that's been around since I was a kid, 2 lengths of train rail of unknown gauge, an assortment of hammers, files, grinders, a rotary shear, a 1930's band saw, and anything else that I can used to make what I need. I've made a variety of plywood forms to hammer out the inner rear wheelwell splash panels and wheel opening arch. It's a slow process, but a rewarding one.
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12-14-17 08:13 PM - Post#2717988    

Thank you for the compliments. I do have a $30 18 inch break from Harbor Freight now. I've only had it a month or so. My quarters, rockers, and the one floor pan are EMS. MY driver front floor brace was formed by hand with hammers, a vice, and a huge pair of industrial channel locks given to me by my father. Since that piece, was 16 gauge, I had to stand on a chair in order to get leverage to bend it. My chest hurt for a week like I had pluracy and I don't plan on doing that again. My trunk patches, door bottom patches, and one seat brace were all made with the cheap bending break. I just go slow and get creative until it matches up!
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12-15-17 10:33 AM - Post#2718026    

16 Gauge?! You could have hurt yourself bending that. My splash panels, trunk floor piece & braces were 20 ga. I just bough a 4x4 sheet of 18 ga to form a section of the rear wheel opening. My rear and lower quarter panel pieces were old repair panels I found under the bondo and they didn't make up a complete wheel opening. Keep up the good work.
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12-15-17 12:43 PM - Post#2718035    

My understanding was that all the floor pieces were originally 16 gauge. Like I said, I'm not doing that ever again! I'm buying the rest of the braces.
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12-17-17 07:49 PM - Post#2718313    

I started fabricating these today while I await some Christmas panels from EMS... no one is currently selling them. These were made all by hand since the bending tool isn't long enough and I can't afford a pneumatic edge flairing tool. Pics:

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12-19-17 06:35 AM - Post#2718408    

Are you having fun yet? I made the plywood forms just so I could hammer out nice edges. I'm trying to convince myself, and my wife, that the Eastwood bead roller and extra dies are "necessary", especially since Congress thinks I make waaay too much money for my own good.
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12-20-17 07:23 PM - Post#2718621    

I'm having a blast! I never thought I could do this! Man, I wish I owned a bead roller. That would be wonderful. Here's what I made today:

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12-20-17 07:25 PM - Post#2718622    

Here it is roughed in before welding.
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12-20-17 07:39 PM - Post#2718628    

Here's what I did yesterday...
First, I cut loose some previous welds and cleaned up the transition to the passenenger rocker panel. I'm going back and fixing a lot of bad welds from my 1st month welding. Next, I tacked in the inner rocker, patched the door jam, and was able to save and weld to the middle floor brace. The others are rotten.

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12-21-17 06:00 PM - Post#2718720    

Today I had help! 3 former students. They wire wheeled the ceiling, floor, and one rear wheel, which I then painted. I made a new and improved inner front quarter and tacked it and the remainder of the inner rocker in.

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12-22-17 10:55 AM - Post#2718782    

I bet wire wheeling the ceiling was a dirty job.
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12-22-17 01:16 PM - Post#2718794    

It could have been worse. Fortunately I had scraped all the tar paper down with a putty knife last year. It was still a little dirty, but the kid I had do it doesn't mind getting dirty and he was sure to have his mask, gloves, and goggles on.
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12-24-17 02:08 PM - Post#2718936    

Back at it today. While I wait for some sheet metal to arrive, I worked on the transmission opening and hatch. I rebuilt the edge of the transmission opening with the recycled lip of a spare oil pan...it was already flared, so why not?! Under that I was able to save the original reinforcement strip and tacked them together. Then I fabricated the edge of the transmission hatch with stock I had laying around. Pretty good Christmas Eve! Here are a few pics:

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12-26-17 03:39 AM - Post#2719020    

Good thinking,I like it!!
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12-27-17 04:02 PM - Post#2719151    

Thanks! It seemed like a good idea, already flared and have the strengthening ridges stamped into it.
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12-29-17 06:19 PM - Post#2719376    

I took a little pause on the car today to clean up and rearrange the garage to make room for a gift from a good friend! No more cold days.

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12-29-17 09:18 PM - Post#2719390    

If you used a phone for the picture. Use the landscape mode when you take the picture. Tony told me this when I tried to post pictures and they were sideways.
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12-30-17 02:03 PM - Post#2719452    

Oh, ok! I couldn't figure out how to fix that. Thanks!
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12-31-17 06:01 AM - Post#2719511    

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If you used a phone for the picture. Use the landscape mode when you take the picture. Tony told me this when I tried to post pictures and they were sideways.



I learned a while back the forum only allows landscape pictures.
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  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
I took a little pause on the car today to clean up and rearrange the garage to make room for a gift from a good friend! No more cold days.



You're going to love that! Put the stove on a cinder block or two so you don't have to bend over so far to feed and clean it. Also, put some fire brick on the bottom. It will make the stove bottom last. If anything, drywall your ceiling, or you'll never get your garage warm. My first winter, I didn't have the ceiling drywall up and 30" of insulation in and just burned up wood trying to stay warm.
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01-12-18 07:56 PM - Post#2720900    

I did some floor brace work today.

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01-15-18 07:21 PM - Post#2721150    

All the passenger side floor braces are done and body bolts and pads are replaced. Now I am fitting up the driver toe kick and transferring over the pedal hole pockets from the old toe kick.

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01-15-18 07:22 PM - Post#2721151    

All the passenger side floor braces are done and body bolts and pads are replaced. Now I am fitting up the driver toe kick and transferring over the pedal hole pockets from the old toe kick.

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01-16-18 05:29 PM - Post#2721229    

That floor is looking good.
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01-18-18 08:03 AM - Post#2721374    

Thank you Sir!
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